HD200: what image improvements are there over the HD110? at DVinfo.net

Bill Edmunds · June 10th, 2009, 09:22 AM

I am familiar with the HD 100/110 images. What improvements in image quality does the HD200 offer? I know about the 60p, but I'm more interested in noise levels, f-stop speed in low light, chroma aberration, dead pixels, and SSE. Anything you can tell me is helpful. I currently shoot with a Canon XH A1 for comparison purposes besides the HD110.

Marc Colemont · June 11th, 2009, 03:17 AM

When I upgraded my HD100 to HD251, I compared them next to each other before I sold my HD100.
I used a DSC-chart and OnLocation with Wave-Scope to check the levels.
(Both with the Stock lens to have a real comparison).
The HD-251 was about one stop more sensitive.
With the higher internal resolution (and using Tim Dashwoods preset scenes) more latitude is possible in post too. With the 13x lens it is even better

Sharon Pieczenik · June 12th, 2009, 05:07 PM

Hi,

I would highly suggest not buying the 110 series. When I bought it, the camera was embedding major issues into the tape where there would be timecode breaks and dropouts so that you couldn't ingest a full tape of footage to edit in final cut. After a year and a half of JVC denying the problem and people pressuring them about it...their solution was to tell you to buy an expensive Hard Disk Drive Recorder and run your tape from your camera into the recorder into your computer/laptop.

This, of course, created degrading in the image. It also created problems with audio and video not matching up. It also created a very noisy floor level to the audio that my post people had a hard time trying to get rid of.

The people with the 100 series didn't have this problem. The people with the 200 series don't have this problem. I have only heard of people with the 110U having this problem. A year or so ago I took the camera to a JVC place in Los Angeles and they did an upgrade to it that they could only do - a friend shot a full tape of HDV on it the other day and said that it was totally working in terms of ingesting into final cut. Oh, did I mention this problem was not with SD but only HDV?

Of course you don't know who I am, but I promise you that I had many many tech savvy people helping me through all these issues and now all of them stay very far away from JVC in general and definitely the 110U specifically.

Cheers,
Sharon

ps - I would be more than happy to talk to you about it. 406-579-7477

Shaun Roemich · June 12th, 2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharon Pieczenik

Hi,

The people with the 200 series don't have this problem.

Not true. I have issues with Stream breaks with my 200Ub's in both FCP6.02 and now 6.0.5.

Sharon Pieczenik · June 12th, 2009, 07:59 PM

Yikes. Sorry to hear that. I stand corrected.

Juan Todoli · June 13th, 2009, 01:13 AM

Absolutly cero problems with my 110 (E) model in 6 months so far. And working without deck for miniDV tapes, just using the camera in VTR mode in all this time to ingest on Final Cut.

Good look Sharon.

Shaun Roemich · June 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM

I SHOULD add, the problems I have with stream breaks are in HDV capture of 60P material. Capturing directly to ProRes has been absolutely problem free.

Tom Koveleskie · June 13th, 2009, 07:49 PM

Just curious. What happens when you get a stream break? Does it stop capturing or do you end up getting many small files captured where the breaks were? I am using my HD110 for capturing until I get a deck.

Shaun Roemich · June 14th, 2009, 09:45 AM

In MY case, I get a warning and capture stops (in HDV capture). I HAVE changed "On Timecode Breaks" to "Warn After Capture" and NOT "Abort".

In ProRes, it captures up to the stream break (USUALLY just a tape start/stop) and uses my PreRoll amount (down to 1 second) until it starts capturing again (losing about 1 second of material).

June 10th, 2009, 09:22 AM	#1
Bill Edmunds Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conway, NH Posts: 574	HD200: what image improvements are there over the HD110? I am familiar with the HD 100/110 images. What improvements in image quality does the HD200 offer? I know about the 60p, but I'm more interested in noise levels, f-stop speed in low light, chroma aberration, dead pixels, and SSE. Anything you can tell me is helpful. I currently shoot with a Canon XH A1 for comparison purposes besides the HD110.

June 11th, 2009, 03:17 AM	#2
Marc Colemont Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 695	When I upgraded my HD100 to HD251, I compared them next to each other before I sold my HD100. I used a DSC-chart and OnLocation with Wave-Scope to check the levels. (Both with the Stock lens to have a real comparison). The HD-251 was about one stop more sensitive. With the higher internal resolution (and using Tim Dashwoods preset scenes) more latitude is possible in post too. With the 13x lens it is even better __________________ Marc Colemont - Belgium - http://www.mc-productions.be JVC GY-HM850's, HM890, HM600

June 12th, 2009, 05:07 PM	#3
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Many Problems with 110 Hi, I would highly suggest not buying the 110 series. When I bought it, the camera was embedding major issues into the tape where there would be timecode breaks and dropouts so that you couldn't ingest a full tape of footage to edit in final cut. After a year and a half of JVC denying the problem and people pressuring them about it...their solution was to tell you to buy an expensive Hard Disk Drive Recorder and run your tape from your camera into the recorder into your computer/laptop. This, of course, created degrading in the image. It also created problems with audio and video not matching up. It also created a very noisy floor level to the audio that my post people had a hard time trying to get rid of. The people with the 100 series didn't have this problem. The people with the 200 series don't have this problem. I have only heard of people with the 110U having this problem. A year or so ago I took the camera to a JVC place in Los Angeles and they did an upgrade to it that they could only do - a friend shot a full tape of HDV on it the other day and said that it was totally working in terms of ingesting into final cut. Oh, did I mention this problem was not with SD but only HDV? Of course you don't know who I am, but I promise you that I had many many tech savvy people helping me through all these issues and now all of them stay very far away from JVC in general and definitely the 110U specifically. Cheers, Sharon ps - I would be more than happy to talk to you about it. 406-579-7477

June 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM	#7
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	I SHOULD add, the problems I have with stream breaks are in HDV capture of 60P material. Capturing directly to ProRes has been absolutely problem free. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

June 14th, 2009, 09:45 AM	#9
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	In MY case, I get a warning and capture stops (in HDV capture). I HAVE changed "On Timecode Breaks" to "Warn After Capture" and NOT "Abort". In ProRes, it captures up to the stream break (USUALLY just a tape start/stop) and uses my PreRoll amount (down to 1 second) until it starts capturing again (losing about 1 second of material). __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

June 12th, 2009, 07:59 PM	#5
Sharon Pieczenik Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 118	Yikes. Sorry to hear that. I stand corrected.

June 13th, 2009, 01:13 AM	#6
Juan Todoli Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Gandia, Spain Posts: 68	Absolutly cero problems with my 110 (E) model in 6 months so far. And working without deck for miniDV tapes, just using the camera in VTR mode in all this time to ingest on Final Cut. Good look Sharon.

June 13th, 2009, 07:49 PM	#8
Tom Koveleskie Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Wales, Pennsylvania Posts: 76	Just curious. What happens when you get a stream break? Does it stop capturing or do you end up getting many small files captured where the breaks were? I am using my HD110 for capturing until I get a deck.