New GR-HD1 footage posted at DVinfo.net

Paul Mogg · May 10th, 2003, 05:57 PM

Two new pieces of footage from the GR-HD1 have been posted at:
http://www.aquamonkey.com/gr-hd1_ts2.zip
http://www.aquamonkey.com/gr-hd1_ts3.zip

To me, these are a big improvement over the previously posted footage and seem to show an incredible lack of picture noise for the low light conditions which they were apparantly shot under. Also no visible "macroblocking" that someone reported seeing previously. I've got to say I'm more impressed than before, I'm looking forward to some outdoor shots that the guy says he's going to post shortly.

Steve Mullen · May 10th, 2003, 07:56 PM

<<<-- I'm looking forward to some outdoor shots that the guy says he's going to post shortly. -->>>

This is a USA site while AquaMonkey is in Japan -- and they sell aquariums. But, the following is another option:

"The so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis (AAH) has many different forms and proponents, but basically argues that the best way of explaining many human features is to see them as aquatic not savannah adaptations."

Paul, the Heuris demo seems not to be HD.

Paul Mogg · May 10th, 2003, 09:38 PM

FYI, The links to the GR-HD1 clips are from the http://www.avsforum.com HDTV/HDTV recorders forum, you can follow the thread there if interested. Hopefully soon someone will post something other than darned fish clips!, (but the jellyfish clip looks good anyway) The guy who's posting says he's in Long Beach and has a Japanese model camera.

On the Heuris encoder, they have several demo versions available for download, you have to download the Powerprofessional HD Pro 2.5 (I think that's the right name). I have encoded a couple of test HD clips using it to MPEG2-TS HD format, successfully, it seems to do a very good job.

Peter Moore · May 10th, 2003, 10:09 PM

How can you view these in Media Player? Or do you need something special to view them?

Paul Mogg · May 11th, 2003, 11:03 AM

On the Mac you can view them on the VLC media player (shareware). On the PC you can view them using the Elecard player (also shareware), they play very well on either, full screen HD!!

Peter Moore · May 11th, 2003, 01:05 PM

Oh God, the Elecard player. I downloaded that to show MPEG movies during a live theater performance, and little did I know there was a 21-day expiration, and day 21 was the day of the show. What a day.

Peter Moore · May 11th, 2003, 11:59 PM

They are a huge improvement. Well we'll have to reserve final judgment until the final product is released I guess. But word on the street is not good. I was talking to a guy who does a lot of indy work and he said these new cameras are not being serioously considered by anyone for films.

Steve Mullen · May 12th, 2003, 02:33 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I was talking to a guy who does a lot of indy work and he said these new cameras are not being serioously considered by anyone for films. -->>>

Nor should they. No one should shoot 30fps progressive for film.

Nor is that the intended market.

Peter Moore · May 12th, 2003, 04:59 PM

Don't they do 24p?

Steve Mullen · May 12th, 2003, 11:17 PM

No. They are intended for HD production.

Peter Moore · May 13th, 2003, 09:41 AM

Isn't that pretty foolish on their part? Why shut out a whole potential market by not including 24p? That can't be that difficult to do.

Bob England · May 15th, 2003, 08:51 AM

Just to see if it'd work I loaded all 3 clips into Vegas 4. On my 3Ghz Dell, they playback fine from within Vegas. Vegas 4.0b even added HD project templates. I strung all 3 together on the timeline with a couple dissolves (just to prove it rendered) and rendered to Windows Media 9 720/30p. The resultant file is just under 22 MB and looks pretty damn good!

Steve Mullen · May 15th, 2003, 09:16 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Just to see if it'd work I loaded all 3 clips into Vegas 4. -->>>

I haven't installed Vegas 4 yet on my PC so I have a couple of questions.

Did it import the TS files directly?

If not, what apps did you use to prior to Vegas 4?

I would expect Blade-2 support as well.

On the Mac, we are missing a FireWire I/O app.

The jellyfish is wonderful.

Dennis Adams · May 15th, 2003, 12:30 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : <<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Just to see if it'd work I loaded all 3 clips into Vegas 4. -->>>

I haven't installed Vegas 4 yet on my PC so I have a couple of questions.

Did it import the TS files directly?

-->>>

Haven't installed Vegas 4 yet? Shame on you :)

I dropped these TS clips directly on the timeline. I changed the project template to "720/30p" first, so I could see the whole frame. Works great, but it doesn't play at full framerate on my slow machine. I also added some titles and rendered to WMV 720/30p HD.

///d@

Steve Mullen · May 16th, 2003, 01:32 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Dennis Adams I also added some titles and rendered to WMV 720/30p HD.
-->>>

With the right graphics card, I think you could play your WM9 movie directly to an HD projector.

If so, rather than go back to tape -- you could save movies to a harddrive. And move the disk????

May 10th, 2003, 05:57 PM	#1
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	New GR-HD1 footage posted Two new pieces of footage from the GR-HD1 have been posted at: http://www.aquamonkey.com/gr-hd1_ts2.zip http://www.aquamonkey.com/gr-hd1_ts3.zip To me, these are a big improvement over the previously posted footage and seem to show an incredible lack of picture noise for the low light conditions which they were apparantly shot under. Also no visible "macroblocking" that someone reported seeing previously. I've got to say I'm more impressed than before, I'm looking forward to some outdoor shots that the guy says he's going to post shortly. __________________ Paul

May 10th, 2003, 07:56 PM	#2
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: New GR-HD1 footage posted <<<-- I'm looking forward to some outdoor shots that the guy says he's going to post shortly. -->>> This is a USA site while AquaMonkey is in Japan -- and they sell aquariums. But, the following is another option: "The so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis (AAH) has many different forms and proponents, but basically argues that the best way of explaining many human features is to see them as aquatic not savannah adaptations." Paul, the Heuris demo seems not to be HD. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

May 10th, 2003, 09:38 PM	#3
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	FYI, The links to the GR-HD1 clips are from the http://www.avsforum.com HDTV/HDTV recorders forum, you can follow the thread there if interested. Hopefully soon someone will post something other than darned fish clips!, (but the jellyfish clip looks good anyway) The guy who's posting says he's in Long Beach and has a Japanese model camera. On the Heuris encoder, they have several demo versions available for download, you have to download the Powerprofessional HD Pro 2.5 (I think that's the right name). I have encoded a couple of test HD clips using it to MPEG2-TS HD format, successfully, it seems to do a very good job. __________________ Paul

May 11th, 2003, 11:03 AM	#5
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	On the Mac you can view them on the VLC media player (shareware). On the PC you can view them using the Elecard player (also shareware), they play very well on either, full screen HD!! __________________ Paul

May 12th, 2003, 02:33 PM	#8
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I was talking to a guy who does a lot of indy work and he said these new cameras are not being serioously considered by anyone for films. -->>> Nor should they. No one should shoot 30fps progressive for film. Nor is that the intended market. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

May 10th, 2003, 10:09 PM	#4
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	How can you view these in Media Player? Or do you need something special to view them?

May 11th, 2003, 01:05 PM	#6
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Oh God, the Elecard player. I downloaded that to show MPEG movies during a live theater performance, and little did I know there was a 21-day expiration, and day 21 was the day of the show. What a day.

May 11th, 2003, 11:59 PM	#7
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	They are a huge improvement. Well we'll have to reserve final judgment until the final product is released I guess. But word on the street is not good. I was talking to a guy who does a lot of indy work and he said these new cameras are not being serioously considered by anyone for films.

May 12th, 2003, 04:59 PM	#9
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Don't they do 24p?

May 12th, 2003, 11:17 PM	#10
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	No. They are intended for HD production. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

May 13th, 2003, 09:41 AM	#11
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Isn't that pretty foolish on their part? Why shut out a whole potential market by not including 24p? That can't be that difficult to do.

May 15th, 2003, 08:51 AM	#12
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	Just to see if it'd work I loaded all 3 clips into Vegas 4. On my 3Ghz Dell, they playback fine from within Vegas. Vegas 4.0b even added HD project templates. I strung all 3 together on the timeline with a couple dissolves (just to prove it rendered) and rendered to Windows Media 9 720/30p. The resultant file is just under 22 MB and looks pretty damn good!

May 15th, 2003, 09:16 AM	#13
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Just to see if it'd work I loaded all 3 clips into Vegas 4. -->>> I haven't installed Vegas 4 yet on my PC so I have a couple of questions. Did it import the TS files directly? If not, what apps did you use to prior to Vegas 4? I would expect Blade-2 support as well. On the Mac, we are missing a FireWire I/O app. The jellyfish is wonderful. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

May 15th, 2003, 12:30 PM	#14
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	<<<-- Originally posted by Steve Mullen : <<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Just to see if it'd work I loaded all 3 clips into Vegas 4. -->>> I haven't installed Vegas 4 yet on my PC so I have a couple of questions. Did it import the TS files directly? -->>> Haven't installed Vegas 4 yet? Shame on you :) I dropped these TS clips directly on the timeline. I changed the project template to "720/30p" first, so I could see the whole frame. Works great, but it doesn't play at full framerate on my slow machine. I also added some titles and rendered to WMV 720/30p HD. ///d@

May 16th, 2003, 01:32 AM	#15
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Dennis Adams I also added some titles and rendered to WMV 720/30p HD. -->>> With the right graphics card, I think you could play your WM9 movie directly to an HD projector. If so, rather than go back to tape -- you could save movies to a harddrive. And move the disk???? __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c