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Lynne Whelden · March 4th, 2003, 06:30 AM

Sony announced Blu-ray HDTV recorder BDZ-S77 for Japanese consumer market.

News Release (Japanese):
http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/200303/03-0303/

Product Information (Japanese):
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/BD/index.html

Available: Apr. 10. 2003.
Suggested retail price: 450,000JPY (3,750USD)
Recording format: MPEG2-TS/AAC 5.1ch audio upto 36Mbps
Recording modes:
[DTV] DR (Direct Recording) mode; 1080i/720p(2Hrs/24Mbps), 480p(4Hrs/12Mbps)/i(4.4Hrs/11Mbps)
[NTSC] HR(3Hrs/16Mbps)/SR(6Hrs/8Mbps)/LR(12Hrs/4Mbps)
Recording Media: BF23G(3,500JPY) 23GB Single sided/Single layer Blu-ray Optical Disk

Does anyone know if this will integrate seamlessly with JVC's stuff?

Jeff Donald · March 4th, 2003, 08:07 AM

The cost is around $4000 USD for the recorder and blank disks are around $40 USD. It's out of most peoples price range, but should drop soon. The big drawback now is the poor tracking ability in comparison to red laser recorders and until wider adoption most people can't play it back.

Lynne Whelden · March 4th, 2003, 09:59 PM

I had read someplace that blu-ray was actually going to handle tracking better than red laser and that it wouldn't be as sensitive to tilt/warp as red.

Jeff Donald · March 4th, 2003, 10:12 PM

Yesterday I read through the posting on this topic at Slashdot. One of them contained a link to a report on the lasers and the problems they have with tracking. Sorry I couldn’t find the exact link again, but it's there somewhere. I think it is too early to tell what problems or issues may arise.

Steve Mullen · March 4th, 2003, 11:30 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jeff Donald : The cost is around $4000 USD for the recorder and blank disks are around $40 USD. It's out of most peoples price range, but should drop soon. The big drawback now is the poor tracking ability in comparison to red laser recorders and until wider adoption most people can't play it back. -->>>

There will be much lower cost systems incorporated into pro and prosumer blu-ray camcorders -- starting at NAB.

Masahiro Kikuchi · March 5th, 2003, 02:58 AM

Today, Sony Japan has hold pre-NAB press conference in Tokyo.
Here are some pics.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20030305/sony.htm

The Sony DVCAM/IMX blue laser disc has similar characteristics and appearance to blu-ray, but it's a different standard from blu-ray.
Sony modified it to dual pick-ups mechanism for faster transfer rate (50Mbps).

Jacques Mersereau · March 6th, 2003, 01:14 PM

Pretty interesting, but one thing to think about. The amount of time it takes
to first write to backup and also to copy from it. During burning, you do NOT
have use of your computer.

So, IMO, a firewire drive is a much better and far cheaper way (right now)
than this new technology. In addition, the discs do cost something and
they also pile up. A plus; you have a dated/individual record with each burn.

I have a G4 powerbook with an internal DVD burner,
and it is really cool, but this is my
experience when using it for burning back ups.

I would personally wait until the blue ray comes WAY down in price.

March 4th, 2003, 06:30 AM	#1
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	A perfect match? Sony announced Blu-ray HDTV recorder BDZ-S77 for Japanese consumer market. News Release (Japanese): http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/200303/03-0303/ Product Information (Japanese): http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/BD/index.html Available: Apr. 10. 2003. Suggested retail price: 450,000JPY (3,750USD) Recording format: MPEG2-TS/AAC 5.1ch audio upto 36Mbps Recording modes: [DTV] DR (Direct Recording) mode; 1080i/720p(2Hrs/24Mbps), 480p(4Hrs/12Mbps)/i(4.4Hrs/11Mbps) [NTSC] HR(3Hrs/16Mbps)/SR(6Hrs/8Mbps)/LR(12Hrs/4Mbps) Recording Media: BF23G(3,500JPY) 23GB Single sided/Single layer Blu-ray Optical Disk Does anyone know if this will integrate seamlessly with JVC's stuff?

March 4th, 2003, 08:07 AM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	The cost is around $4000 USD for the recorder and blank disks are around $40 USD. It's out of most peoples price range, but should drop soon. The big drawback now is the poor tracking ability in comparison to red laser recorders and until wider adoption most people can't play it back. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 4th, 2003, 10:12 PM	#4
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Yesterday I read through the posting on this topic at Slashdot. One of them contained a link to a report on the lasers and the problems they have with tracking. Sorry I couldn’t find the exact link again, but it's there somewhere. I think it is too early to tell what problems or issues may arise. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 4th, 2003, 11:30 PM	#5
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Jeff Donald : The cost is around $4000 USD for the recorder and blank disks are around $40 USD. It's out of most peoples price range, but should drop soon. The big drawback now is the poor tracking ability in comparison to red laser recorders and until wider adoption most people can't play it back. -->>> There will be much lower cost systems incorporated into pro and prosumer blu-ray camcorders -- starting at NAB. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

March 6th, 2003, 01:14 PM	#7
Jacques Mersereau Trustee Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,334	Pretty interesting, but one thing to think about. The amount of time it takes to first write to backup and also to copy from it. During burning, you do NOT have use of your computer. So, IMO, a firewire drive is a much better and far cheaper way (right now) than this new technology. In addition, the discs do cost something and they also pile up. A plus; you have a dated/individual record with each burn. I have a G4 powerbook with an internal DVD burner, and it is really cool, but this is my experience when using it for burning back ups. I would personally wait until the blue ray comes WAY down in price. __________________ Jacques Mersereau University of Michigan-Video Studio Manager

March 4th, 2003, 09:59 PM	#3
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	I had read someplace that blu-ray was actually going to handle tracking better than red laser and that it wouldn't be as sensitive to tilt/warp as red.

March 5th, 2003, 02:58 AM	#6
Masahiro Kikuchi New Boot Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 14	Today, Sony Japan has hold pre-NAB press conference in Tokyo. Here are some pics. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20030305/sony.htm The Sony DVCAM/IMX blue laser disc has similar characteristics and appearance to blu-ray, but it's a different standard from blu-ray. Sony modified it to dual pick-ups mechanism for faster transfer rate (50Mbps).