Longest Lasting Battery Solution? (8+ hours) at DVinfo.net

Murad Toor · July 31st, 2004, 01:41 AM

I searched the forum and couldn't find the answer. I need 6-8 hours per day out of my HD10. Do I need to buy multiple 428s and chargers? Canon has that CH-910 you can clip on your belt. Would that be compatible with the DC power cord that came with the HD10? Is there an Anton Bauer solution? Is there a dual or quad charger for this camera's batteries? Thanks!

Mark Jervis · July 31st, 2004, 06:37 AM

I personally use 4 428 batteries and will use one battery while keeping the others charged. Each battery has lasted me about an hour so when it dies I throw it on a charger and go to the next. Since each battery takes about an hour to charge I can keep charging and discharging all day. I haven't found a solution for belt packs, or any other brand of external battery since the camera doesn't use a 12v supply but rather a 6.3v (correct me if I'm wrong) which means to use a 12v battery you would still have to carry around a transformer with you.

Christopher C. Murphy · July 31st, 2004, 06:47 AM

I bought a 3500mAh on Ebay for like $30. It's suppose to last 4 hours, but I get more like 2-3 hours. The LCD probably drains it faster.

Be careful on Ebay the guy I bought it from tried to scam me with a cheaper battery, but I called him on it and sent it back. They must try and see if they can get people to keep the cheaper batterties...it's almost not worth sending it back because of the shipping costs. They probably make a lot of money "screwning up". I hate that crap.

Anyway, I eventually got the battery I ordered. But, it did cost me almost as much to buy from a dealer.

Murph

Murad Toor · July 31st, 2004, 11:05 AM

Mark and Christopher, thanks for the quick replies.

I just learned (by reading the specs) that on AC power the HD10 draws 6.3V and on battery it draws 7.2V.

Something like this would work:

http://www.jvcservice.com/store/Prod...?part=BN-V856U

I'm taking my DC power cord to Abt Electronics today to see whether it will work with a Canon CH-910 (with two 4500mAh BP-945s of course) and the HD10.

I need 6-8 hours of battery because I'm following a tour group through Turkey, and I won't be able to recharge during the daytime.

I'm guessing (hoping) two BP945s will get me about 6 hours.

Christopher Winnicki · August 3rd, 2004, 02:05 PM

Hi Murad.

Here is an article I wrote some time ago that may help you, if you don't mind some minor electrical work (all low voltage naturally).

http://www.playground.net/~winnicki/...folithium.html

I also have used my HD10U for 6 hours straight using a different solution, I will post that solution when I get home.

-Cheers,

Christopher.
http://animaimage.com

Live free or die. At least not stupid

http://infowars.com

Christopher Winnicki · August 3rd, 2004, 06:53 PM

Hi Murad.

Here is the other setup I have used in the past which yields excellent results. 5 ++ hours of recording time on an external sealed lead acid battery, 12V 5 amp/hours.

Here is the link to the web page i have quickly slapped together.

http://ottawa.hn.org/WEBSITES/EQUIPMENT/dcac.html

or

http://ottawa.yi.org/WEBSITES/EQUIPMENT/dcac.html

Cheers.

Troy Lamont · August 10th, 2004, 09:24 PM

According to JVC this battery should last 6-8 hours 5600mAH.

Troy

Christopher Winnicki · August 10th, 2004, 10:53 PM

I guess $50 should be added to the $200 (for the battery) since the original JVC charger can't be used with it.

I think for now I will be using my econo setup.

CDN $30 for dc-to-ac converter.
CDN $6 for 12V 5000mAh sealed lead acid (i bought 7)

(30 + 6x7) x 0.75 = $54 (US)

Total recording (real time) ~7h x 7 = 49hours

http://ottawa.hn.org/WEBSITES/EQUIPMENT/dcac.html
Price to recording time ratio compared to this http://www.jvcservice.com/store/Prod...?part=BN-V856U

$250/8H (supposed 8 hours) ~=~ $54/49H

Final score (lower is better)

31(JVC) to 1(Chris)

-Cheers

Patrick Jenkins · March 10th, 2005, 01:10 PM

Does anyone have any follow up information for this? All of those web sites no longer work.

I'm looking for basically the same thing. 5+ hours...

The sealed lead acid approach is ideal, can anyone post more info?

Thanks!

Murad Toor · March 14th, 2005, 02:12 PM

Patrick, I haven't attempted the engineering feat of Christopher Winnicki, but I became aware of the JVC BN-V856U Troy Lamont linked. I'd probably go for that the next time I had $250 or so to spare for the battery and its charger.

Anyhow I'm up to three 428s, so Mark has me beat by one. If we HD1/HD10 users are lucky, the HD100 will take the same batteries. It'll make the transition just a little easier, and relegate the HD1/HD10 to backup or cutaway wide shot duty.

Jeff Patnaude · March 14th, 2005, 04:21 PM

I used to shoot fishing shows up in canada using a marine battery hooked into the 4-pin connector. We would get 12 hours of use on our camera and 3/4SP decks. (uphill- both ways).
With today's camcorders, you could run alll day long and then some. Course, not too portable...

Jeff Patnaude

Bob Pennington · March 22nd, 2005, 12:50 PM

Anton/Bauer batteries can be used with this camera. The QR-DV300 system provides the DC input into this camera.
In addition to the longer runtime, this system allows you to power your light, a hard disc recorder or wireless recievers- all from the same battery.

If you want to shoulder mount your camera-- your can use the STASIS system which uses the battery to counterbalance the weight of the camera. The STASIS has a 1/4"-20 mount and can be used on a tripod.

More info at: http://www.antonbauer.com/7_14_gold_mounts.htm

http://www.antonbauer.com/stasis.htm

Products are available for other DV and HDV products as well.

July 31st, 2004, 01:41 AM	#1
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	Longest Lasting Battery Solution? (8+ hours) I searched the forum and couldn't find the answer. I need 6-8 hours per day out of my HD10. Do I need to buy multiple 428s and chargers? Canon has that CH-910 you can clip on your belt. Would that be compatible with the DC power cord that came with the HD10? Is there an Anton Bauer solution? Is there a dual or quad charger for this camera's batteries? Thanks!

July 31st, 2004, 06:47 AM	#3
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	I bought a 3500mAh on Ebay for like $30. It's suppose to last 4 hours, but I get more like 2-3 hours. The LCD probably drains it faster. Be careful on Ebay the guy I bought it from tried to scam me with a cheaper battery, but I called him on it and sent it back. They must try and see if they can get people to keep the cheaper batterties...it's almost not worth sending it back because of the shipping costs. They probably make a lot of money "screwning up". I hate that crap. Anyway, I eventually got the battery I ordered. But, it did cost me almost as much to buy from a dealer. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

August 3rd, 2004, 02:05 PM	#5
Christopher Winnicki Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 38	Here is one solution that may help you Hi Murad. Here is an article I wrote some time ago that may help you, if you don't mind some minor electrical work (all low voltage naturally). http://www.playground.net/~winnicki/...folithium.html I also have used my HD10U for 6 hours straight using a different solution, I will post that solution when I get home. -Cheers, Christopher. http://animaimage.com Live free or die. At least not stupid http://infowars.com

August 3rd, 2004, 06:53 PM	#6
Christopher Winnicki Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 38	Here is an inverter, 12VDC to 120VAC setup Hi Murad. Here is the other setup I have used in the past which yields excellent results. 5 ++ hours of recording time on an external sealed lead acid battery, 12V 5 amp/hours. Here is the link to the web page i have quickly slapped together. http://ottawa.hn.org/WEBSITES/EQUIPMENT/dcac.html or http://ottawa.yi.org/WEBSITES/EQUIPMENT/dcac.html Cheers.

August 10th, 2004, 09:24 PM	#7
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	JVC makes one... According to JVC this battery should last 6-8 hours 5600mAH. Troy

July 31st, 2004, 06:37 AM	#2
Mark Jervis Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 66	I personally use 4 428 batteries and will use one battery while keeping the others charged. Each battery has lasted me about an hour so when it dies I throw it on a charger and go to the next. Since each battery takes about an hour to charge I can keep charging and discharging all day. I haven't found a solution for belt packs, or any other brand of external battery since the camera doesn't use a 12v supply but rather a 6.3v (correct me if I'm wrong) which means to use a 12v battery you would still have to carry around a transformer with you.

July 31st, 2004, 11:05 AM	#4
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	Mark and Christopher, thanks for the quick replies. I just learned (by reading the specs) that on AC power the HD10 draws 6.3V and on battery it draws 7.2V. Something like this would work: http://www.jvcservice.com/store/Prod...?part=BN-V856U I'm taking my DC power cord to Abt Electronics today to see whether it will work with a Canon CH-910 (with two 4500mAh BP-945s of course) and the HD10. I need 6-8 hours of battery because I'm following a tour group through Turkey, and I won't be able to recharge during the daytime. I'm guessing (hoping) two BP945s will get me about 6 hours.

August 10th, 2004, 10:53 PM	#8
Christopher Winnicki Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 38	add $50 for the charger. I guess $50 should be added to the $200 (for the battery) since the original JVC charger can't be used with it. I think for now I will be using my econo setup. CDN $30 for dc-to-ac converter. CDN $6 for 12V 5000mAh sealed lead acid (i bought 7) (30 + 6x7) x 0.75 = $54 (US) Total recording (real time) ~7h x 7 = 49hours http://ottawa.hn.org/WEBSITES/EQUIPMENT/dcac.html Price to recording time ratio compared to this http://www.jvcservice.com/store/Prod...?part=BN-V856U $250/8H (supposed 8 hours) ~=~ $54/49H Final score (lower is better) 31(JVC) to 1(Chris) -Cheers

March 10th, 2005, 01:10 PM	#9
Patrick Jenkins Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 382	Does anyone have any follow up information for this? All of those web sites no longer work. I'm looking for basically the same thing. 5+ hours... The sealed lead acid approach is ideal, can anyone post more info? Thanks!

March 14th, 2005, 02:12 PM	#10
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	followup Patrick, I haven't attempted the engineering feat of Christopher Winnicki, but I became aware of the JVC BN-V856U Troy Lamont linked. I'd probably go for that the next time I had $250 or so to spare for the battery and its charger. Anyhow I'm up to three 428s, so Mark has me beat by one. If we HD1/HD10 users are lucky, the HD100 will take the same batteries. It'll make the transition just a little easier, and relegate the HD1/HD10 to backup or cutaway wide shot duty.

March 14th, 2005, 04:21 PM	#11
Jeff Patnaude Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Duluth, Georgia Posts: 248	I used to shoot fishing shows up in canada using a marine battery hooked into the 4-pin connector. We would get 12 hours of use on our camera and 3/4SP decks. (uphill- both ways). With today's camcorders, you could run alll day long and then some. Course, not too portable... Jeff Patnaude

March 22nd, 2005, 12:50 PM	#12
Bob Pennington Anton/Bauer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Shelton, CT Posts: 20	Long Lasting Battery- Power Multiple Products Anton/Bauer batteries can be used with this camera. The QR-DV300 system provides the DC input into this camera. In addition to the longer runtime, this system allows you to power your light, a hard disc recorder or wireless recievers- all from the same battery. If you want to shoulder mount your camera-- your can use the STASIS system which uses the battery to counterbalance the weight of the camera. The STASIS has a 1/4"-20 mount and can be used on a tripod. More info at: http://www.antonbauer.com/7_14_gold_mounts.htm http://www.antonbauer.com/stasis.htm Products are available for other DV and HDV products as well.