HD10 vs PDX10, first impression, surprise, surprise.. at DVinfo.net

Love Mov · May 19th, 2004, 06:44 PM

Just tried everything auto, to my surprise, HD10 actually rivals pdx10's color. I never expect HD10's color can be as good as 3 chips. It's not very saturated, but just about right, not too much not too less....
I need some more testing, especially in manual mode to decide which one is the keeper, I really want them both, but can't aford owning them at the same time...

First impression of HD10:
Good:
1. Great color
2. Good handling
3. Perfect resolution, man you gonna like this projected on a 150 inches screen
4. Lense is quite good (low distortion)

Bad:
1. OIS? Doesn't seem to work
2. Stupid capture program.
3. Tape transport is ok, but not as smooth as pdx10

Troy Lamont · May 20th, 2004, 09:54 AM

Love,

Good synopsis, keep us posted.

Troy

Heath McKnight · May 20th, 2004, 10:03 AM

The HD10's OIS is all right, not as good as other OIS's on other cameras. I notice a little bit of a difference.

heath

Boyd Ostroff · May 20th, 2004, 10:04 AM

Of course the HD-10 also costs about $800 more. JVC is to be commended for blazing a new trail with these cameras and they sound really interesting. But after reading a lot about them I think they are just more of a "science project" than I would want to deal with due to issues with editing, lack of manual control, etc. I am really anxious to see the next generation of HDV gear, but that seems about a year away still.

But I believe the HD10 will also shoot in DV mode, right? Have you tried comparing this to the PDX-10? That would seem to be more like apples to apples.

Heath McKnight · May 20th, 2004, 10:05 AM

I was surprised by how well the DV mode looks. My friend and I have been editing stuff I've shot in DV mode, and it looks good to us!

heath

Love Mov · May 20th, 2004, 07:59 PM

I will do a side by side shooting comparison this weekend and post some result. Unfortunetely, this site seems do not support pic/clips posting, right?

HD vs DV does not make too much sense, I agree. But it makes sense to me at least. Since I do love my 1 month old PDX10, and, just start to fall in love with HD10....no doubt, the next generation HDV will be much better, I don't mind upgrade later, but I also what to enjoy some really nice stuff now...

I will also do a DV to DV test...about HD editing, Vegas seems pretty good at editing m2t files, I don't see too much problem.

Steve Crisdale · May 21st, 2004, 05:22 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Boyd Ostroff :
But I believe the HD10 will also shoot in DV mode, right? Have you tried comparing this to the PDX-10? That would seem to be more like apples to apples. -->>>

So let me get this right.....a 'fair' comparison is one where a superior operating mode of a device is disabled to allow a device that doesn't have that capability to be compared on a more 'level playing-field'.......sort of like Equal Opportunity Guidelines.

Love Mov · May 21st, 2004, 05:59 PM

Nothing is created equal, so once you want to compare somthing, it's never 'fair' (unless you comapre same models, but why you want to do that when quality control is usually good nowadays.)

Many compare AVX100 to GL2 or PD170, they are so different too. AVX100 have 72mm lense which is a big advantage. You don't want to conver portion of it make it to be 62 or 52 to compare t others...

I agree they are so different animals, it does not make too much sense, I know it. I hapen to have these 2 things on hand, so the comparison shall help me decide which one to keep. (it will not help you to select if you're buying).

Boyd Ostroff · May 21st, 2004, 08:27 PM

Actually my point was just that if you want to shoot HDV then get the HD-10. But if you want to shoot DV then compare the HD-10 in DV mode to another DV camera.

Heath McKnight · May 21st, 2004, 10:43 PM

The HD10 in DV mode will lose out to most DV cameras.

heath

David Kennett · May 24th, 2004, 11:37 AM

Another option is to shoot HDV, then convert to DV (either letterboxed or cropped). I posted some samples a while back along with some methodology. I think the converted DV is much better than original DV - and you have HDV masters for the future. It's a bit more work though!

May 19th, 2004, 06:44 PM	#1
Love Mov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 97	HD10 vs PDX10, first impression, surprise, surprise.. Just tried everything auto, to my surprise, HD10 actually rivals pdx10's color. I never expect HD10's color can be as good as 3 chips. It's not very saturated, but just about right, not too much not too less.... I need some more testing, especially in manual mode to decide which one is the keeper, I really want them both, but can't aford owning them at the same time... First impression of HD10: Good: 1. Great color 2. Good handling 3. Perfect resolution, man you gonna like this projected on a 150 inches screen 4. Lense is quite good (low distortion) Bad: 1. OIS? Doesn't seem to work 2. Stupid capture program. 3. Tape transport is ok, but not as smooth as pdx10

May 20th, 2004, 10:03 AM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The HD10's OIS is all right, not as good as other OIS's on other cameras. I notice a little bit of a difference. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

May 20th, 2004, 10:05 AM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I was surprised by how well the DV mode looks. My friend and I have been editing stuff I've shot in DV mode, and it looks good to us! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

May 21st, 2004, 10:43 PM	#10
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The HD10 in DV mode will lose out to most DV cameras. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

May 24th, 2004, 11:37 AM	#11
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Another option is to shoot HDV, then convert to DV (either letterboxed or cropped). I posted some samples a while back along with some methodology. I think the converted DV is much better than original DV - and you have HDV masters for the future. It's a bit more work though! __________________ Dave

May 20th, 2004, 09:54 AM	#2
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	Love, Good synopsis, keep us posted. Troy

May 20th, 2004, 10:04 AM	#4
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Of course the HD-10 also costs about $800 more. JVC is to be commended for blazing a new trail with these cameras and they sound really interesting. But after reading a lot about them I think they are just more of a "science project" than I would want to deal with due to issues with editing, lack of manual control, etc. I am really anxious to see the next generation of HDV gear, but that seems about a year away still. But I believe the HD10 will also shoot in DV mode, right? Have you tried comparing this to the PDX-10? That would seem to be more like apples to apples.

May 20th, 2004, 07:59 PM	#6
Love Mov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 97	I will do a side by side shooting comparison this weekend and post some result. Unfortunetely, this site seems do not support pic/clips posting, right? HD vs DV does not make too much sense, I agree. But it makes sense to me at least. Since I do love my 1 month old PDX10, and, just start to fall in love with HD10....no doubt, the next generation HDV will be much better, I don't mind upgrade later, but I also what to enjoy some really nice stuff now... I will also do a DV to DV test...about HD editing, Vegas seems pretty good at editing m2t files, I don't see too much problem.

May 21st, 2004, 05:22 PM	#7
Steve Crisdale Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katoomba NSW Australia Posts: 635	<<<-- Originally posted by Boyd Ostroff : But I believe the HD10 will also shoot in DV mode, right? Have you tried comparing this to the PDX-10? That would seem to be more like apples to apples. -->>> So let me get this right.....a 'fair' comparison is one where a superior operating mode of a device is disabled to allow a device that doesn't have that capability to be compared on a more 'level playing-field'.......sort of like Equal Opportunity Guidelines.

May 21st, 2004, 05:59 PM	#8
Love Mov Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 97	Nothing is created equal, so once you want to compare somthing, it's never 'fair' (unless you comapre same models, but why you want to do that when quality control is usually good nowadays.) Many compare AVX100 to GL2 or PD170, they are so different too. AVX100 have 72mm lense which is a big advantage. You don't want to conver portion of it make it to be 62 or 52 to compare t others... I agree they are so different animals, it does not make too much sense, I know it. I hapen to have these 2 things on hand, so the comparison shall help me decide which one to keep. (it will not help you to select if you're buying).

May 21st, 2004, 08:27 PM	#9
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Actually my point was just that if you want to shoot HDV then get the HD-10. But if you want to shoot DV then compare the HD-10 in DV mode to another DV camera.