HDV vs. a mini-HD + chroma noise on 3 chip HDV at DVinfo.net

Heath McKnight · April 25th, 2004, 10:29 PM

Could a mini-HD camera, like the one from Panasonic in 2006/7 beat the HDV format? Will a 3 ccd camera, in our opinions, cut down the chroma noise the 1 ccd HDV makes?

This is a friendly debate, and I look forward to your answers!

heath

Maury McEvoy · April 26th, 2004, 08:01 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : Could a mini-HD camera, like the one from Panasonic in 2006/7 beat the HDV format? -->>>

Of course.

Paper tigers are always better!

Heath McKnight · April 26th, 2004, 08:04 AM

<<Of course.>>

But why, Maury?

heath

Barry Green · April 26th, 2004, 08:52 AM

I don't think the question is being asked properly -- I think what you're asking is, will these new cameras beat THE JVC HD10, not "will they beat HDV", because the two are not the same.

We haven't seen a true HDV camera yet, technically. HDV was announced six months after the current JVC camera was already on the market -- it was grandfathered in, but it's a huge leap to say that the JVC represents the HDV format. JVC announced plans to produce a 3-CCD, 24P, 2/3" chip, professional-class HDV camcorder... THAT should be a much better representative of the HDV format.

It would be extremely unfair to judge the potential of HDV based on this current, highly limited, maximized-for-low-cost camera.

Heath McKnight · April 26th, 2004, 08:58 AM

Actually, I think I just wanted to know NOT if the HD10 would be beaten (it will, by JVC and many others), but if HDV could become the Beta Max of formats if this mini-HD comes out in 2006 or so.

I was just looking to liven up the friendly debate! :-)

heath

Barry Green · April 26th, 2004, 04:57 PM

Okay, I see where you're coming from.

The HD wars are far from settled, although the coalition is a good starting point. There will likely always be competing formats... you'd think we'd have gotten over it after the phenomenal success of the CD, but they did it to us again with the DVD+R vs. DVD-R specs...

... if Panasonic had signed on to HDV, it'd have been a fairly unanimous outing, with all the major manufacturers endorsing one spec. But with them withholding support, then you're right, the prospect for a format war does exist, and HDV could go the way of MicroMV, Digital-8, BetaSX, and many other dead/dying formats Sony has created.

Heath McKnight · April 26th, 2004, 10:14 PM

Don't forget, Panasonic and JVC are owned by the same company.

heath

April 25th, 2004, 10:29 PM	#1
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	HDV vs. a mini-HD + chroma noise on 3 chip HDV Could a mini-HD camera, like the one from Panasonic in 2006/7 beat the HDV format? Will a 3 ccd camera, in our opinions, cut down the chroma noise the 1 ccd HDV makes? This is a friendly debate, and I look forward to your answers! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 26th, 2004, 08:01 AM	#2
Maury McEvoy Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cambria CA Posts: 45	Re: HDV vs. a mini-HD + chroma noise on 3 chip HDV <<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : Could a mini-HD camera, like the one from Panasonic in 2006/7 beat the HDV format? -->>> Of course. Paper tigers are always better! __________________ Maury

April 26th, 2004, 08:04 AM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<Of course.>> But why, Maury? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 26th, 2004, 08:58 AM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Actually, I think I just wanted to know NOT if the HD10 would be beaten (it will, by JVC and many others), but if HDV could become the Beta Max of formats if this mini-HD comes out in 2006 or so. I was just looking to liven up the friendly debate! :-) heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 26th, 2004, 10:14 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Don't forget, Panasonic and JVC are owned by the same company. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 26th, 2004, 08:52 AM	#4
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	I don't think the question is being asked properly -- I think what you're asking is, will these new cameras beat THE JVC HD10, not "will they beat HDV", because the two are not the same. We haven't seen a true HDV camera yet, technically. HDV was announced six months after the current JVC camera was already on the market -- it was grandfathered in, but it's a huge leap to say that the JVC represents the HDV format. JVC announced plans to produce a 3-CCD, 24P, 2/3" chip, professional-class HDV camcorder... THAT should be a much better representative of the HDV format. It would be extremely unfair to judge the potential of HDV based on this current, highly limited, maximized-for-low-cost camera.

April 26th, 2004, 04:57 PM	#6
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Okay, I see where you're coming from. The HD wars are far from settled, although the coalition is a good starting point. There will likely always be competing formats... you'd think we'd have gotten over it after the phenomenal success of the CD, but they did it to us again with the DVD+R vs. DVD-R specs... ... if Panasonic had signed on to HDV, it'd have been a fairly unanimous outing, with all the major manufacturers endorsing one spec. But with them withholding support, then you're right, the prospect for a format war does exist, and HDV could go the way of MicroMV, Digital-8, BetaSX, and many other dead/dying formats Sony has created.