Short HDV Film at DVinfo.net

Frederic Lumiere · March 12th, 2004, 05:25 PM

This film was shot on the HD10U and edited with Final Cut Pro using Lumiere HD.

http://www.lumieremedia.com/hotelroom/

You can view stills and video clips.

Alex Raskin · March 12th, 2004, 09:02 PM

Frederic and Pat: great lighting!

Heath McKnight · March 12th, 2004, 09:21 PM

Cool! What about chroma noise? How did you fix that?

I also have some photos up from my shoot (still editing) here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=22374

heath

Frederic Lumiere · March 12th, 2004, 10:35 PM

Pat is a genius. He's one of a kind.

As far as chroma noise, well...we lived with it. We made sure to light properly and it really isn't that noticeable in motion.

I do wish that it was even less noticeable. Color correction helped a bit.

JVC is seriously considering making a 24p model of this camera, which by the way would have less artifacts because there is less data to store therefore better quality compression.

Heath McKnight · March 13th, 2004, 09:28 AM

Really? Wow...We should talk more about this in the HD10 forum!

heath

Frederic Lumiere · March 13th, 2004, 12:36 PM

Heath,

I recommended to them that it would be great to have a knowledgeable voice coming from JVC participate in these discussions.

They were very opened to this, or starting a forum of their own.

I will see if I could put you in touch with that person Heath, whomever this might be. Perhaps you could invite them to come and participate on your section.

Chris Hurd · March 15th, 2004, 11:14 PM

Please pass this info along to me as well, Frederic... thanks!

Ken Hodson · March 15th, 2004, 11:26 PM

Frederick - Although it is hard to judge the true scope of what you have shot being that I have only viewed the online highly compressed clips, all I can say is bravo!
It is clear you have a full understanding of how to get the most from this cam.
I agree with Alex, great lighting. Any tricks you can pass on to us, such as any cam settings or filters you found worked best? And thanks for the nice colour correction. Shows that the subtle colour saturation of the HD10 has tons of latitude in post.
Two thumbs up!
Ken

Frederic Lumiere · March 16th, 2004, 11:15 AM

Heath,

Should we move this thread to your section?

It seems that the conversation is going to be focused on the camera vs. editing.

Heath McKnight · March 16th, 2004, 02:25 PM

Yeah, go ahead and move it. I was thinking the same thing.

heath

Dwight Flynn · March 16th, 2004, 09:57 PM

Frederic, will the Lumiere HD be available for the PC environment.

Ken Hodson · March 17th, 2004, 01:44 AM

Frederick - So, any tips on lighting or filters? Or are these Lumiere trade secrets?
PS - As nice as the visuals are, the audio bites.
Ken

Frederic Lumiere · March 17th, 2004, 03:01 AM

Ken,

The only tip I really have regarding lighting is find a great Gaffer. Pat Blanckard is probably the best I've ever worked with and it shows. From setup to setup, he wouldn't let me adjust the iris but he would manipulate his setup whenever I felt it was too hot or too dark.

I used an ND filter for outside only.

During color correction, I darkened most of the shots and saturated the colors to create the club mood.

Regarding the audio, I am very surprised you don't think it's acceptable. I usually am very picky when it comes to audio and I was very pleased with the results. We recorded all the audio on DAT and synched it in FCP.

Eric Bilodeau · March 18th, 2004, 07:50 AM

Good work Fred,

I have been out of discussions for a certain time because of a new job but I still come to see, from time to time. This is a very good display of the camera's possibilities. I always thought this camera could do very good for somebody who does understand it and you certainly do.

Way to go guys...

Glenn Gipson · March 19th, 2004, 07:07 AM

>>Regarding the audio, I am very surprised you don't think it's acceptable. I usually am very picky when it comes to audio and I was very pleased with the results. We recorded all the audio on DAT and synched it in FCP.<<

If I may...the dialogue track sounds clean to me, it maybe a lack of background ambience and music which is causing the audio track to come across as novice. As for the picture, it looks very good to me. It doesn't really have a "film look" but it doesn't look like traditional video, either. You can tell the quality is top notch either way, good job.

March 12th, 2004, 05:25 PM	#1
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Short HDV Film This film was shot on the HD10U and edited with Final Cut Pro using Lumiere HD. http://www.lumieremedia.com/hotelroom/ You can view stills and video clips.

March 12th, 2004, 09:21 PM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Cool! What about chroma noise? How did you fix that? I also have some photos up from my shoot (still editing) here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=22374 heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 13th, 2004, 09:28 AM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Really? Wow...We should talk more about this in the HD10 forum! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 15th, 2004, 11:14 PM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Please pass this info along to me as well, Frederic... thanks! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

March 15th, 2004, 11:26 PM	#8
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Frederick - Although it is hard to judge the true scope of what you have shot being that I have only viewed the online highly compressed clips, all I can say is bravo! It is clear you have a full understanding of how to get the most from this cam. I agree with Alex, great lighting. Any tricks you can pass on to us, such as any cam settings or filters you found worked best? And thanks for the nice colour correction. Shows that the subtle colour saturation of the HD10 has tons of latitude in post. Two thumbs up! Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

March 12th, 2004, 09:02 PM	#2
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	Frederic and Pat: great lighting!

March 12th, 2004, 10:35 PM	#4
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Pat is a genius. He's one of a kind. As far as chroma noise, well...we lived with it. We made sure to light properly and it really isn't that noticeable in motion. I do wish that it was even less noticeable. Color correction helped a bit. JVC is seriously considering making a 24p model of this camera, which by the way would have less artifacts because there is less data to store therefore better quality compression.

March 13th, 2004, 12:36 PM	#6
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Heath, I recommended to them that it would be great to have a knowledgeable voice coming from JVC participate in these discussions. They were very opened to this, or starting a forum of their own. I will see if I could put you in touch with that person Heath, whomever this might be. Perhaps you could invite them to come and participate on your section.

March 16th, 2004, 11:15 AM	#9
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Heath, Should we move this thread to your section? It seems that the conversation is going to be focused on the camera vs. editing.

March 16th, 2004, 02:25 PM	#10
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Yeah, go ahead and move it. I was thinking the same thing. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 16th, 2004, 09:57 PM	#11
Dwight Flynn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 393	Lumiere hd Frederic, will the Lumiere HD be available for the PC environment.

March 17th, 2004, 01:44 AM	#12
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Frederick - So, any tips on lighting or filters? Or are these Lumiere trade secrets? PS - As nice as the visuals are, the audio bites. Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

March 17th, 2004, 03:01 AM	#13
Frederic Lumiere Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Point Pleasant, NJ Posts: 437	Ken, The only tip I really have regarding lighting is find a great Gaffer. Pat Blanckard is probably the best I've ever worked with and it shows. From setup to setup, he wouldn't let me adjust the iris but he would manipulate his setup whenever I felt it was too hot or too dark. I used an ND filter for outside only. During color correction, I darkened most of the shots and saturated the colors to create the club mood. Regarding the audio, I am very surprised you don't think it's acceptable. I usually am very picky when it comes to audio and I was very pleased with the results. We recorded all the audio on DAT and synched it in FCP.

March 18th, 2004, 07:50 AM	#14
Eric Bilodeau Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicoutimi, Canada Posts: 334	Good work Fred, I have been out of discussions for a certain time because of a new job but I still come to see, from time to time. This is a very good display of the camera's possibilities. I always thought this camera could do very good for somebody who does understand it and you certainly do. Way to go guys... __________________ Eric Bilodeau video SFX,DOP ___________________ http://www.fictis.net info@fictis.net

March 19th, 2004, 07:07 AM	#15
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	>>Regarding the audio, I am very surprised you don't think it's acceptable. I usually am very picky when it comes to audio and I was very pleased with the results. We recorded all the audio on DAT and synched it in FCP.<< If I may...the dialogue track sounds clean to me, it maybe a lack of background ambience and music which is causing the audio track to come across as novice. As for the picture, it looks very good to me. It doesn't really have a "film look" but it doesn't look like traditional video, either. You can tell the quality is top notch either way, good job.