First impressions: HD10 vs. Varicam, from Jon the DP

Troy Lamont · November 10th, 2003, 12:01 PM

This is getting better by the post! HD cam heaven..

Troy

Christopher Toderman · November 10th, 2003, 01:23 PM

To see how good the JVC is you need to test it together with the DVX on one end and the Varicam on the other end. The DVX needs to be tested in 30p. Varicam needs to be converted to 30p. The DVX must not be tested in 16:9, or with an anamorphic adapter. Without the 3rd camera being tested in parallel, you don't have enough reference points. It would be also nice to include the new Panasonic 900, in 16:6/30p, which should fit between the Varicam and the HD10. I would really love to see a test like this. Previous tests against CineAlta were interpreted here as to how close it is to that format. But without additional reference points, this type of statements are meaninless.

Heath McKnight · November 10th, 2003, 02:53 PM

The DVX100/Varicam/HD10 test is impossible, as Jon's DVX100 is out on rental. But when it comes back, I'll have him do a test with the HD10, per your recommendations.

heath

Les Dit · November 10th, 2003, 02:58 PM

Will it be possible to conduct these tests with the same lighting?
Since lighting is key on the quality, it won't be fair to use different lighting on different cams.
Just a thought,
-Les
<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : The DVX100/Varicam/HD10 test is impossible, as Jon's DVX100 is out on rental. But when it comes back, I'll have him do a test with the HD10, per your recommendations.

heath -->>>

Heath McKnight · November 10th, 2003, 03:01 PM

He's shooting the film and putting the HD10 next to it. Of course, Jon can't control the gamma levels on the HD10 like he can on the Varicam, but he says it's still coming out good.

I think he did something yesterday that was a straight up test with the two cameras, same lighting, etc.

heath

Troy Lamont · June 22nd, 2004, 01:57 PM

Panasonic has a HD1200A deck that can output HD-SDI from the VariCam to an Apple PC equiped with FCP HD via firewire.

Maybe we can find someplace that may rent these so we can finally get to see the comparison shots?.....

Troy

November 10th, 2003, 02:53 PM	#18
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The DVX100/Varicam/HD10 test is impossible, as Jon's DVX100 is out on rental. But when it comes back, I'll have him do a test with the HD10, per your recommendations. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

November 10th, 2003, 02:58 PM	#19
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	lighting the same for all tests? Will it be possible to conduct these tests with the same lighting? Since lighting is key on the quality, it won't be fair to use different lighting on different cams. Just a thought, -Les <<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : The DVX100/Varicam/HD10 test is impossible, as Jon's DVX100 is out on rental. But when it comes back, I'll have him do a test with the HD10, per your recommendations. heath -->>>

November 10th, 2003, 03:01 PM	#20
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	He's shooting the film and putting the HD10 next to it. Of course, Jon can't control the gamma levels on the HD10 like he can on the Varicam, but he says it's still coming out good. I think he did something yesterday that was a straight up test with the two cameras, same lighting, etc. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

June 22nd, 2004, 01:57 PM	#21
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	Possible rental solution? Panasonic has a HD1200A deck that can output HD-SDI from the VariCam to an Apple PC equiped with FCP HD via firewire. Maybe we can find someplace that may rent these so we can finally get to see the comparison shots?..... Troy

November 10th, 2003, 12:01 PM	#16
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	This is getting better by the post! HD cam heaven.. Troy

November 10th, 2003, 01:23 PM	#17
Christopher Toderman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 60	To see how good the JVC is you need to test it together with the DVX on one end and the Varicam on the other end. The DVX needs to be tested in 30p. Varicam needs to be converted to 30p. The DVX must not be tested in 16:9, or with an anamorphic adapter. Without the 3rd camera being tested in parallel, you don't have enough reference points. It would be also nice to include the new Panasonic 900, in 16:6/30p, which should fit between the Varicam and the HD10. I would really love to see a test like this. Previous tests against CineAlta were interpreted here as to how close it is to that format. But without additional reference points, this type of statements are meaninless.