Hidden service menus?

Ken Hodson · November 6th, 2003, 02:17 AM

A while ago we talked -device control- via the JLIP in this forum. In older DV cams and maybe this one, menu's could be accessed via computer and printer port or USB. Maybe advanced settings are available.
Here are some links.

http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...o_f/whatj.html

http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...lip/index.html

http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...o_f/index.html

http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/..._f1/index.html

Ken

Eric Bilodeau · November 6th, 2003, 03:59 PM

well... This is very interresting and somewhat promising. It makes sense that technicians could access the setup of the camera using a numeric port like firewire or USB.

Christopher Toderman · November 6th, 2003, 05:00 PM

The best way to find out would be to order a Service Manual from the JVC's Service Department. These are expensive, but Japanese HD1 version has been available from JVC Japan online for months now. They may offer the English version, including HD10, online too.

JVC audio receivers made for the US don't work in Europe because they are made for a different voltage there, which is no big deal; you can use a transformer. But the FM frequencies change in 200 kHz increments in the US and in 100 kHz increments in Europe. A simple wire connection on the printed circuit board makes the US receivers usable in Europe.

Les Dit · November 6th, 2003, 07:17 PM

I'm open to starting a group buy for this manual, to see what it says. If others are interested, and willing to share, lets paypal one person to get the manual, and either ship it to each other, or just have one person look it over.
Anyone know how much these are? $80 or so?
I'd put up some $$ to learn more.
Let me know if others are interested!
-Les

Christopher Toderman · November 6th, 2003, 07:41 PM

They should cost less thab 1/2 of this and JVC Japan probably has them all listed on the web for a free download. Just email them; tell them that you're in the middle of Africa and need to look at one now, that you're in the middle of a shoot. Of course some JVC person may read this and will sabotage the effort. What's the name of the JVC engineer that visits this site? Why does not he tell us all how to get into the camcorder service menues. If it is a simple task to turn this camera into a usable tool, JVC, the company that loves and supports filmakers and festivals should be happy to tell us. It would be a great public relations act.

I downloaded the Japanese version os the SM months back, but don't have it anymore. I was told then that the English version will be available shortly.

Any good JVC sole here? Please email me ananymously info on how to get this camcorder workable, and I'll distribute it further. You'll serve a good couse and we'll all love you. And no one will ever learn who you are.

Ken Hodson · November 6th, 2003, 08:47 PM

Even if this is not used for hidden functions, I would be very interesed in basic cam function through a pc. This would be very usefull in a studio set-up. If anyone makes headway in this, please let me know.
Thanx
Ken

David Warrilow · November 7th, 2003, 12:41 AM

Hi,

just a note of caution. I have obtained service manuals for other JVC camcorders in the past and they contained no information regarding eeprom, settings, menus and the like. Plenty of circuit diagrams, part numbers and layouts but nothing on accessing menus at all.

Maybe we're talking about 2 different types of 'service manuals' here but just thought I should mention it. From my investigations previously, I think JVC make it a little harder than that to get hold of eeprom data and address definitions. I hope I'm wrong.

I have got manuals previously from this site:

http://www.user-service-manuals.com/...manuals-gr.htm

but no HD-1 or HD-10 listed there. mostly older model camcorders.

Best,

DW.

Les Dit · November 7th, 2003, 01:53 AM

hmmm, no maybe codes in the service docs?.... well, we'll just have to dis-assemble the micro controller code then!

If only is was easy!
-L

Andre Jesmanowicz · November 7th, 2003, 06:49 PM

In the normal manual for HD1 there is mentioned an adjustment manual and its number. It was impossible to buy it. The reference number was unknown to JVC salse persons! I needed it to addjust a focus plane afer replacing an optic. Still not addjusted (it's about OK, except for extreme telephoto).

Ken Hodson · November 8th, 2003, 02:54 PM

Such manuals must be available. Repair shops have them.
Maybe the pro division?

Troy Lamont · December 9th, 2003, 01:29 PM

Any updates to the group buy or service code acquisition?

Troy

Heath McKnight · December 10th, 2003, 07:46 PM

Just a friendly reminder that if you tweak anything, be it your cell phone, computer, car/SUV/truck, or your HD10 (or any camera), you could very well break the warranty. I've also heard of people who break the warranty, but try to pay full price for repairs and they're turned away.

I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware if you try to hack it, you probably will cancel out the warranty.

heath

Ken Hodson · December 11th, 2003, 04:40 AM

True enough Heath, thanks for the warning.

Has anyone ever seen or used a Jlip device?
Ken

Heath McKnight · December 11th, 2003, 02:53 PM

Some guys I know who used (and abused) the HD10 said they found no hidden menus. They wrote a review, I believe, of the HD10, so they did all sorts of stuff with it.

heath

Les Dit · December 11th, 2003, 03:26 PM

Sometimes it's pretty much impossible to find the codes to get into a service mode.
Very strange key hold down combos, in specific sequence, for certain durations can make it like cracking a safe open with a combination lock!
Especially if they have features in there, like full manual, that they don't want turned on because of product line strategies.
The only hope is a mole that can tell us from the inside, maybe.
-Les

November 6th, 2003, 02:17 AM	#16
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	A while ago we talked -device control- via the JLIP in this forum. In older DV cams and maybe this one, menu's could be accessed via computer and printer port or USB. Maybe advanced settings are available. Here are some links. http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...o_f/whatj.html http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...lip/index.html http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/...o_f/index.html http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/..._f1/index.html Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

November 6th, 2003, 03:59 PM	#17
Eric Bilodeau Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicoutimi, Canada Posts: 334	well... This is very interresting and somewhat promising. It makes sense that technicians could access the setup of the camera using a numeric port like firewire or USB. __________________ Eric Bilodeau video SFX,DOP ___________________ http://www.fictis.net info@fictis.net

November 6th, 2003, 07:17 PM	#19
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	group buy to buy one service manual? I'm open to starting a group buy for this manual, to see what it says. If others are interested, and willing to share, lets paypal one person to get the manual, and either ship it to each other, or just have one person look it over. Anyone know how much these are? $80 or so? I'd put up some $$ to learn more. Let me know if others are interested! -Les

November 6th, 2003, 08:47 PM	#21
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Even if this is not used for hidden functions, I would be very interesed in basic cam function through a pc. This would be very usefull in a studio set-up. If anyone makes headway in this, please let me know. Thanx Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

November 7th, 2003, 06:49 PM	#24
Andre Jesmanowicz Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 36	In the normal manual for HD1 there is mentioned an adjustment manual and its number. It was impossible to buy it. The reference number was unknown to JVC salse persons! I needed it to addjust a focus plane afer replacing an optic. Still not addjusted (it's about OK, except for extreme telephoto). __________________ Andre

November 6th, 2003, 05:00 PM	#18
Christopher Toderman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 60	The best way to find out would be to order a Service Manual from the JVC's Service Department. These are expensive, but Japanese HD1 version has been available from JVC Japan online for months now. They may offer the English version, including HD10, online too. JVC audio receivers made for the US don't work in Europe because they are made for a different voltage there, which is no big deal; you can use a transformer. But the FM frequencies change in 200 kHz increments in the US and in 100 kHz increments in Europe. A simple wire connection on the printed circuit board makes the US receivers usable in Europe.

November 6th, 2003, 07:41 PM	#20
Christopher Toderman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 60	They should cost less thab 1/2 of this and JVC Japan probably has them all listed on the web for a free download. Just email them; tell them that you're in the middle of Africa and need to look at one now, that you're in the middle of a shoot. Of course some JVC person may read this and will sabotage the effort. What's the name of the JVC engineer that visits this site? Why does not he tell us all how to get into the camcorder service menues. If it is a simple task to turn this camera into a usable tool, JVC, the company that loves and supports filmakers and festivals should be happy to tell us. It would be a great public relations act. I downloaded the Japanese version os the SM months back, but don't have it anymore. I was told then that the English version will be available shortly. Any good JVC sole here? Please email me ananymously info on how to get this camcorder workable, and I'll distribute it further. You'll serve a good couse and we'll all love you. And no one will ever learn who you are.

November 7th, 2003, 12:41 AM	#22
David Warrilow Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 106	Hi, just a note of caution. I have obtained service manuals for other JVC camcorders in the past and they contained no information regarding eeprom, settings, menus and the like. Plenty of circuit diagrams, part numbers and layouts but nothing on accessing menus at all. Maybe we're talking about 2 different types of 'service manuals' here but just thought I should mention it. From my investigations previously, I think JVC make it a little harder than that to get hold of eeprom data and address definitions. I hope I'm wrong. I have got manuals previously from this site: http://www.user-service-manuals.com/...manuals-gr.htm but no HD-1 or HD-10 listed there. mostly older model camcorders. Best, DW.

November 7th, 2003, 01:53 AM	#23
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	hmmm, no maybe codes in the service docs?.... well, we'll just have to dis-assemble the micro controller code then! If only is was easy! -L

November 8th, 2003, 02:54 PM	#25
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Such manuals must be available. Repair shops have them. Maybe the pro division? __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

December 9th, 2003, 01:29 PM	#26
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	Updates? Any updates to the group buy or service code acquisition? Troy

December 10th, 2003, 07:46 PM	#27
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Just a friendly reminder that if you tweak anything, be it your cell phone, computer, car/SUV/truck, or your HD10 (or any camera), you could very well break the warranty. I've also heard of people who break the warranty, but try to pay full price for repairs and they're turned away. I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware if you try to hack it, you probably will cancel out the warranty. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 11th, 2003, 04:40 AM	#28
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	True enough Heath, thanks for the warning. Has anyone ever seen or used a Jlip device? Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

December 11th, 2003, 02:53 PM	#29
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Some guys I know who used (and abused) the HD10 said they found no hidden menus. They wrote a review, I believe, of the HD10, so they did all sorts of stuff with it. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

December 11th, 2003, 03:26 PM	#30
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	Sometimes it's pretty much impossible to find the codes to get into a service mode. Very strange key hold down combos, in specific sequence, for certain durations can make it like cracking a safe open with a combination lock! Especially if they have features in there, like full manual, that they don't want turned on because of product line strategies. The only hope is a mole that can tell us from the inside, maybe. -Les