Nosferatu/ Metropolis

Shawn Mielke · September 2nd, 2003, 02:29 PM

Yes Brad, and yet, how can it not count? Dv has been used, creatively. In fact the three films I mentioned each did wonderfully soulfully unique things with digital video, and soul really is all that counts. The history of art reveals surprises in what, or how little, can be used to moving effect. We're all making choices on technology, but do they really have to do with the end result? In the end, the materials could never be the point. Maybe this techno quest has some psychological merit, acting as impetus to do greater things, and certainly conventions can dictate what goes in the professional world, but what, say in 80 years, to come full circle, will the viewer's experience and/or judgement be based upon? That it was shot HD? That it wasn't?
Ken, I think I've made unnecessarily flippant remarks at your expense. I apologize. And I hope I haven't made this thread inappropriate to the hd10 post site, certain topics/ideas get me going!

Brad Hawkins · September 2nd, 2003, 06:15 PM

Yes I agree that it is the soul of the film that is most important, and I think that is the point Ken was trying to make when he started this thread. However, I still believe that "Waking Life" is a poor example of a DV film. The filmmakers could have captured the live action using any format, film, HD, or DV it didn't matter because it was all going to be covered up and at a much higher resolution I might add. Which I point out because after all resolution is really the heart of all the debates in this forum. For "Waking Life," they simply chose the format that offered the greatest ease of use as well as the lowest cost, but all of the formats would have provided more or less the same end result. Look at it this way, would you place the Disney classics such as Snow White in the category of 35mm films along with other live action 35mm films simply because the hand painted cells of Snow White were captured frame by frame with a 35mm camera?

Brad

September 2nd, 2003, 02:29 PM	#16
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	Yes Brad, and yet, how can it not count? Dv has been used, creatively. In fact the three films I mentioned each did wonderfully soulfully unique things with digital video, and soul really is all that counts. The history of art reveals surprises in what, or how little, can be used to moving effect. We're all making choices on technology, but do they really have to do with the end result? In the end, the materials could never be the point. Maybe this techno quest has some psychological merit, acting as impetus to do greater things, and certainly conventions can dictate what goes in the professional world, but what, say in 80 years, to come full circle, will the viewer's experience and/or judgement be based upon? That it was shot HD? That it wasn't? Ken, I think I've made unnecessarily flippant remarks at your expense. I apologize. And I hope I haven't made this thread inappropriate to the hd10 post site, certain topics/ideas get me going! __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

September 2nd, 2003, 06:15 PM	#17
Brad Hawkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 38	Yes I agree that it is the soul of the film that is most important, and I think that is the point Ken was trying to make when he started this thread. However, I still believe that "Waking Life" is a poor example of a DV film. The filmmakers could have captured the live action using any format, film, HD, or DV it didn't matter because it was all going to be covered up and at a much higher resolution I might add. Which I point out because after all resolution is really the heart of all the debates in this forum. For "Waking Life," they simply chose the format that offered the greatest ease of use as well as the lowest cost, but all of the formats would have provided more or less the same end result. Look at it this way, would you place the Disney classics such as Snow White in the category of 35mm films along with other live action 35mm films simply because the hand painted cells of Snow White were captured frame by frame with a 35mm camera? Brad