How do you dub DV to HD (mpeg2) then to DVD? at DVinfo.net

Heath McKnight · July 22nd, 2003, 11:33 PM

I asked this earlier, but I forgot to add the DVD portion, sorry.

I want to be cool and remaster my DV film (shot on an XL-1) onto HD/mpeg2 via my HD10. How do I do that? Do I need any extra hardware?

Also, what do I do to then put it to DVD? I know some of you out there have been making DVDs from HD10 content.

HELP!

THANKS and look for my audio tests post soon. Steve Mullen had me run some tests that surprised me so much, I'm taking back a mixer I bought!

heath

Peter Moore · July 22nd, 2003, 11:54 PM

Do you mean you want to make a High Definition DVD by upconverting your DV footage or simply take your existing DV footage and make a standard def. 480-line DVD from it?

If it's the latter, there's no reason to use the HD10 so I'm assuming you mean the former. In that case, there's really no standard for HD-DVD yet so your best bet would be to encode to Windows Media Player 9 format and save it to a DVD-ROM.

If you are talking about making a standard DVD, you're much better off just using DVD authoring software to put your DV footage onto DVD. You don't want to convert your footage to MPEG_TS and then back to MPEG-2 to put on DVD - that's too much hassle.

Heath McKnight · July 23rd, 2003, 12:03 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : Do you mean you want to make a High Definition DVD by upconverting your DV footage or simply take your existing DV footage and make a standard def. 480-line DVD from it?

If it's the latter, there's no reason to use the HD10 so I'm assuming you mean the former. In that case, there's really no standard for HD-DVD yet so your best bet would be to encode to Windows Media Player 9 format and save it to a DVD-ROM.

If you are talking about making a standard DVD, you're much better off just using DVD authoring software to put your DV footage onto DVD. You don't want to convert your footage to MPEG_TS and then back to MPEG-2 to put on DVD - that's too much hassle. -->>>

Yeah, you're right, but the whole "Remastered on High Definition" just sounds cool.

But, let's say I want to make a regular DVD, but also save it on HD. Of course, I will eventually buy a DVHS deck (I'm outta cash now), but in the meantime, how do I up-convert to HD via the HD10?

THANKS!

heath

Peter Moore · July 23rd, 2003, 02:34 PM

I gotcha. Well I can't help as far as using the camera goes, but to go your route I think, again, the easier thing to do would be to use Vegas or something like that to remaster your material to HD. I am sure it would do a better job than the camera. The camera, if anything, would have to take your DV footage, resample it, then compress it to its MPEG-format (DV is way better quality). If you just load your DV footage onto your computer, and use Vegas, you'll get very very good quality - I've tried it and it looks very good.

Of course if you can't get something like Vegas then I guess the camera's your only option. Sorry I can't help you there.

Heath McKnight · July 23rd, 2003, 02:42 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I gotcha. Well I can't help as far as using the camera goes, but to go your route I think, again, the easier thing to do would be to use Vegas or something like that to remaster your material to HD. I am sure it would do a better job than the camera. The camera, if anything, would have to take your DV footage, resample it, then compress it to its MPEG-format (DV is way better quality). If you just load your DV footage onto your computer, and use Vegas, you'll get very very good quality - I've tried it and it looks very good.

Of course if you can't get something like Vegas then I guess the camera's your only option. Sorry I can't help you there. -->>>

So I should just stay with DV then? Okay. Can I dub it to DVHS with this technique?

heath

Peter Moore · July 23rd, 2003, 05:01 PM

I meant the DV compression algorithm results in higher quality video than the MPEG_TS used by the HD10.

If you want HD, resample your DV using Vegas, and render it as MainConcept MPEG-2 720-30p (15 mbps). Eventually you'll be able to dub to D-VHS via firewire, I'm sure. There's got to be software available eventually to allow you to do this. I just don't know of any right now.

Heath McKnight · July 23rd, 2003, 05:50 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I meant the DV compression algorithm results in higher quality video than the MPEG_TS used by the HD10.

If you want HD, resample your DV using Vegas, and render it as MainConcept MPEG-2 720-30p (15 mbps). Eventually you'll be able to dub to D-VHS via firewire, I'm sure. There's got to be software available eventually to allow you to do this. I just don't know of any right now. -->>>

Thanks. Do you have a link to the Vegas site?

heath

Peter Moore · July 23rd, 2003, 09:55 PM

Sure:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/vegasfamily.asp

It is a bit pricey but way less than Final Cut Pro and you get more bang for the buck than any other NLE, IMHO. I'd recommend the Vegas+DVD package as it includes the MainConcept MPEG2 encoder and Dolby 5.1 AC-3 encoding.

Rob Lohman · July 25th, 2003, 08:48 AM

Why would you want to upconvert to a non-existent HD standard.
Your quality will not increase since it is not there to begin with and
it is highly unlikely whatever format you'll choose will be compatible.

I'd just store the original DV stream on a DVD-data disc (if it is
under 13 minutes) and/or a DV tape. Keep it safe. Then output
to a DVD-Video (MPEG2) disc as well to view it. If you have a good
progressive scan DVD player with HD screen it will upconvert your
DVD disc on the fly.

When the world is all HD and we have a standard you can then
convert your DV to HD if you want from the DVD-Data disc or tape.

July 22nd, 2003, 11:33 PM	#1
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	How do you dub DV to HD (mpeg2) then to DVD? I asked this earlier, but I forgot to add the DVD portion, sorry. I want to be cool and remaster my DV film (shot on an XL-1) onto HD/mpeg2 via my HD10. How do I do that? Do I need any extra hardware? Also, what do I do to then put it to DVD? I know some of you out there have been making DVDs from HD10 content. HELP! THANKS and look for my audio tests post soon. Steve Mullen had me run some tests that surprised me so much, I'm taking back a mixer I bought! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 23rd, 2003, 12:03 AM	#3
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : Do you mean you want to make a High Definition DVD by upconverting your DV footage or simply take your existing DV footage and make a standard def. 480-line DVD from it? If it's the latter, there's no reason to use the HD10 so I'm assuming you mean the former. In that case, there's really no standard for HD-DVD yet so your best bet would be to encode to Windows Media Player 9 format and save it to a DVD-ROM. If you are talking about making a standard DVD, you're much better off just using DVD authoring software to put your DV footage onto DVD. You don't want to convert your footage to MPEG_TS and then back to MPEG-2 to put on DVD - that's too much hassle. -->>> Yeah, you're right, but the whole "Remastered on High Definition" just sounds cool. But, let's say I want to make a regular DVD, but also save it on HD. Of course, I will eventually buy a DVHS deck (I'm outta cash now), but in the meantime, how do I up-convert to HD via the HD10? THANKS! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 23rd, 2003, 02:42 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I gotcha. Well I can't help as far as using the camera goes, but to go your route I think, again, the easier thing to do would be to use Vegas or something like that to remaster your material to HD. I am sure it would do a better job than the camera. The camera, if anything, would have to take your DV footage, resample it, then compress it to its MPEG-format (DV is way better quality). If you just load your DV footage onto your computer, and use Vegas, you'll get very very good quality - I've tried it and it looks very good. Of course if you can't get something like Vegas then I guess the camera's your only option. Sorry I can't help you there. -->>> So I should just stay with DV then? Okay. Can I dub it to DVHS with this technique? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 23rd, 2003, 05:50 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I meant the DV compression algorithm results in higher quality video than the MPEG_TS used by the HD10. If you want HD, resample your DV using Vegas, and render it as MainConcept MPEG-2 720-30p (15 mbps). Eventually you'll be able to dub to D-VHS via firewire, I'm sure. There's got to be software available eventually to allow you to do this. I just don't know of any right now. -->>> Thanks. Do you have a link to the Vegas site? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 25th, 2003, 08:48 AM	#9
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Why would you want to upconvert to a non-existent HD standard. Your quality will not increase since it is not there to begin with and it is highly unlikely whatever format you'll choose will be compatible. I'd just store the original DV stream on a DVD-data disc (if it is under 13 minutes) and/or a DV tape. Keep it safe. Then output to a DVD-Video (MPEG2) disc as well to view it. If you have a good progressive scan DVD player with HD screen it will upconvert your DVD disc on the fly. When the world is all HD and we have a standard you can then convert your DV to HD if you want from the DVD-Data disc or tape. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 22nd, 2003, 11:54 PM	#2
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Do you mean you want to make a High Definition DVD by upconverting your DV footage or simply take your existing DV footage and make a standard def. 480-line DVD from it? If it's the latter, there's no reason to use the HD10 so I'm assuming you mean the former. In that case, there's really no standard for HD-DVD yet so your best bet would be to encode to Windows Media Player 9 format and save it to a DVD-ROM. If you are talking about making a standard DVD, you're much better off just using DVD authoring software to put your DV footage onto DVD. You don't want to convert your footage to MPEG_TS and then back to MPEG-2 to put on DVD - that's too much hassle.

July 23rd, 2003, 02:34 PM	#4
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I gotcha. Well I can't help as far as using the camera goes, but to go your route I think, again, the easier thing to do would be to use Vegas or something like that to remaster your material to HD. I am sure it would do a better job than the camera. The camera, if anything, would have to take your DV footage, resample it, then compress it to its MPEG-format (DV is way better quality). If you just load your DV footage onto your computer, and use Vegas, you'll get very very good quality - I've tried it and it looks very good. Of course if you can't get something like Vegas then I guess the camera's your only option. Sorry I can't help you there.

July 23rd, 2003, 05:01 PM	#6
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I meant the DV compression algorithm results in higher quality video than the MPEG_TS used by the HD10. If you want HD, resample your DV using Vegas, and render it as MainConcept MPEG-2 720-30p (15 mbps). Eventually you'll be able to dub to D-VHS via firewire, I'm sure. There's got to be software available eventually to allow you to do this. I just don't know of any right now.

July 23rd, 2003, 09:55 PM	#8
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Sure: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/vegasfamily.asp It is a bit pricey but way less than Final Cut Pro and you get more bang for the buck than any other NLE, IMHO. I'd recommend the Vegas+DVD package as it includes the MainConcept MPEG2 encoder and Dolby 5.1 AC-3 encoding.