Compared HD1 & HD10 at DVinfo.net

David Kennett · July 9th, 2003, 01:38 PM

Hello Everyone - although this is my first post, I've been reading for some time. Industrial Video here in the Cleveland area had both cameras, and I played with both. There seems to be some confusion on some issues. Here's what I've found so far.

First, The detail enhancement is definitely different. In my view, the HD10 is much better - not overdone. I like to use the viewfinder, so I really appreciate the better resolution there. Evaluated the pics on a 52" Panasonic plasma.

When holding in the exposure control (by the lens), it appears to lock exposure (not iris as stated in the manual). So there is a fully manual control of exposure - just not separate iris and shutter speed. If we could just set S/A priority (near viewfinder), THEN set and lock exposure, life would be great.

I became a true believer, and walked out thedoor with the
HD10 in hand. Most things have worked as expected, but can't get capture to work. DV is OK, but in MPEG mode, device manager just shows "AV/C Subunit" with the notorious yellow question mark, and tells me it can't find a driver. I can't find one either! Haven't heard from JVC or Pixela yet either. Any ideas out there?

Again, Hello to all, and many thanks for all the help - Dave

Michael Hyun · July 9th, 2003, 02:21 PM

heh,

i actually like the low res viewfinder of the HD1...

rather than an accurate image, you can focus on the subject and stop when you get a pixelated stair step edge.

i found it to be right on focus at that point.

I find it akin to my Leica M6 rangefinder focus mechanism- just line up the lines. not perfect mind you, but functional and useful.

Bob England · July 9th, 2003, 07:30 PM

Dave,

If you are using Windows XP, it already includes a driver for the JVC (it was originally intended for the DVHS decks, but the protocol is the same so it also works with the HD1/HD10). You just have to install it manually.
The instructions for installing it can be found in the "Software Installation and USB/iLink Connection Guide" pamphlet that came packed with your unit's user manual. Look for the part titled "Driver Installation." If you can't find the pamphlet, you can download it from JVC's website:
http://www.jvc.com/promotions/grhd1/pdf/GR-HD1_SoftwareInstallation.pdf
The following link also gives a similar procedure for installing the JVC DVHS and includes pictures so it may help to refer to it as well:
http://www.webtc.com/DVHS/default.htm

Hope this helps,
Bob

<<<-- Originally posted by David Kennett :
DV is OK, but in MPEG mode, device manager just shows "AV/C Subunit" with the notorious yellow question mark, and tells me it can't find a driver. I can't find one either! Haven't heard from JVC or Pixela yet either. Any ideas out there?

Again, Hello to all, and many thanks for all the help - Dave -->>>

Heath McKnight · July 9th, 2003, 08:36 PM

Ken Freed says the shutter is still on auto even when the exposure is locked (though I didn't see the shutter moving when it was locked). He suggests controlling the light (so much for walking around) and using ND filters. His recommendations when he emails me back.

heatho

Craig Jones · July 9th, 2003, 09:19 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Dave,

If you are using Windows XP, it already includes a driver for the JVC (it was originally intended for the DVHS decks, but the protocol is the same so it also works with the HD1/HD10). You just have to install it manually.
The instructions for installing it can be found in the "Software Installation and USB/iLink Connection Guide" pamphlet that came packed with your unit's user manual. Look for the part titled "Driver Installation." If you can't find the pamphlet, you can download it from JVC's website:
http://www.jvc.com/promotions/grhd1/pdf/GR-HD1_SoftwareInstallation.pdf
The following link also gives a similar procedure for installing the JVC DVHS and includes pictures so it may help to refer to it as well:
http://www.webtc.com/DVHS/default.htm

Hope this helps,
Bob

-->>>

Bob's right. Been there myself.

David Kennett · July 10th, 2003, 02:18 PM

Thanks Bob & Craig - that did it! I had even looked through that sheet a second time and didn't see it. I try to read the manuals - really!

Dave

July 9th, 2003, 01:38 PM	#1
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Compared HD1 & HD10 Hello Everyone - although this is my first post, I've been reading for some time. Industrial Video here in the Cleveland area had both cameras, and I played with both. There seems to be some confusion on some issues. Here's what I've found so far. First, The detail enhancement is definitely different. In my view, the HD10 is much better - not overdone. I like to use the viewfinder, so I really appreciate the better resolution there. Evaluated the pics on a 52" Panasonic plasma. When holding in the exposure control (by the lens), it appears to lock exposure (not iris as stated in the manual). So there is a fully manual control of exposure - just not separate iris and shutter speed. If we could just set S/A priority (near viewfinder), THEN set and lock exposure, life would be great. I became a true believer, and walked out thedoor with the HD10 in hand. Most things have worked as expected, but can't get capture to work. DV is OK, but in MPEG mode, device manager just shows "AV/C Subunit" with the notorious yellow question mark, and tells me it can't find a driver. I can't find one either! Haven't heard from JVC or Pixela yet either. Any ideas out there? Again, Hello to all, and many thanks for all the help - Dave __________________ Dave

July 9th, 2003, 07:30 PM	#3
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	Re: Compared HD1 & HD10 Dave, If you are using Windows XP, it already includes a driver for the JVC (it was originally intended for the DVHS decks, but the protocol is the same so it also works with the HD1/HD10). You just have to install it manually. The instructions for installing it can be found in the "Software Installation and USB/iLink Connection Guide" pamphlet that came packed with your unit's user manual. Look for the part titled "Driver Installation." If you can't find the pamphlet, you can download it from JVC's website: http://www.jvc.com/promotions/grhd1/pdf/GR-HD1_SoftwareInstallation.pdf The following link also gives a similar procedure for installing the JVC DVHS and includes pictures so it may help to refer to it as well: http://www.webtc.com/DVHS/default.htm Hope this helps, Bob <<<-- Originally posted by David Kennett : DV is OK, but in MPEG mode, device manager just shows "AV/C Subunit" with the notorious yellow question mark, and tells me it can't find a driver. I can't find one either! Haven't heard from JVC or Pixela yet either. Any ideas out there? Again, Hello to all, and many thanks for all the help - Dave -->>>

July 9th, 2003, 08:36 PM	#4
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Ken Freed says the shutter is still on auto even when the exposure is locked (though I didn't see the shutter moving when it was locked). He suggests controlling the light (so much for walking around) and using ND filters. His recommendations when he emails me back. heatho __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 9th, 2003, 09:19 PM	#5
Craig Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 105	Re: Re: Compared HD1 & HD10 <<<-- Originally posted by Bob England : Dave, If you are using Windows XP, it already includes a driver for the JVC (it was originally intended for the DVHS decks, but the protocol is the same so it also works with the HD1/HD10). You just have to install it manually. The instructions for installing it can be found in the "Software Installation and USB/iLink Connection Guide" pamphlet that came packed with your unit's user manual. Look for the part titled "Driver Installation." If you can't find the pamphlet, you can download it from JVC's website: http://www.jvc.com/promotions/grhd1/pdf/GR-HD1_SoftwareInstallation.pdf The following link also gives a similar procedure for installing the JVC DVHS and includes pictures so it may help to refer to it as well: http://www.webtc.com/DVHS/default.htm Hope this helps, Bob -->>> Bob's right. Been there myself.

July 10th, 2003, 02:18 PM	#6
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Thanks Bob & Craig - that did it! I had even looked through that sheet a second time and didn't see it. I try to read the manuals - really! Dave __________________ Dave

July 9th, 2003, 02:21 PM	#2
Michael Hyun Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 46	heh, i actually like the low res viewfinder of the HD1... rather than an accurate image, you can focus on the subject and stop when you get a pixelated stair step edge. i found it to be right on focus at that point. I find it akin to my Leica M6 rangefinder focus mechanism- just line up the lines. not perfect mind you, but functional and useful.