Can someone please post your clips from the HD1?

Michael Pappas · June 29th, 2003, 09:26 PM

It's great to see HD at this level. My first experience working with HD started 16 years ago in 1987 when I was 18. That camera took while to warm up before you could use it. This was also the year that the first HD major hollywood film was released that was filmed in HighDef. Julia and Julia (1987): Kathleen Turner, Sting, Gabriel Byrne. I remember seeing it on the movie screen and thinking this is going to work, and this is the future. I nearly got my head cut off in the film community here in LA for even saying that. Though that was the day of tube cameras and it was a bitch to prevent streaking. But it still looked good. Now here we are 16yrs latter and we have HD in the palm of our hands. It's amazing.

Michael Pappas
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www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Jackson : <<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : I have some tests I want to post that I am waiting to finish as soon as I get more material, but it shows that mini dv breaks down far sooner in extreme post work to correct the image or adjust for a certain look. Where as the JVC can take a pretty good beating in post work to shape a final look. -->>>

I really look forward to seeing this, Michael. Have you shot any test footage to deliberately cause compression artifacting? I'd love to see some worst-case footage just to see what happens.

BTW, sorry to register and post so much on the first day, but I find the prospect of shooting student films with HD pretty exciting.

-Rob -->>>

Obin Olson · June 30th, 2003, 07:59 AM

yes please do showme this because I have taken the hd shots on the web and did some color work on them,,,,,they looked REALLY bad....

Paul Mogg · June 30th, 2003, 09:36 AM

Michael, I'm uploading four clips to the dvinfo site now, and will upload more smaller ones a little later today.

Paul.

p.s. Obin, I can reccomend some very good books on color correction if you feel you need to brush up on your skills

Eric Bilodeau · June 30th, 2003, 12:29 PM

I've been lurking around for some weeks now and I think the time is right to get into the discussion since the camera is now available and the discussion seems to get a bit more open minded. I agree totally with Robert Jackson in his comments about the actual results available on the web. The JY-HD10u is a tool, not a complete one I must agree but a very promising one if the knowledge of the operator is sufficient. Definition indeed is the major issue here. I work a lot on the images I capture and I find the lack of definition often frustrating, I believe this camera (and others to come) will improve my work for the time being.

I am curious about Paul's tests, I will wait to see them. The tests seen for the moment are in uncontrolled environments, I wonder how it will perform in a controlled one...

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Jackson : I'm curious about what aspect of the image is so unusuable? The compression is acceptable, which was the biggest problem I was expecting. The color rendition isn't bad. I realize the bar has been raised a lot in the past few years, but there's nothing about those images that seems "not even close to good enough" to use in a production to my eye. So be specific, if you can. What about those images is unacceptable for production work?

It's not the images that the camera delivers that I see being problematic. It's the actual camera in use that's likely to be a problem. It seems almost impossible to adapt to a follow focus setup, the manual zoom is in all likelihood unusable and the image stabilization is apparently problematic. Those are all real considerations if you don't have time or the inclination to work around them. The images themselves, though, seem very acceptable and at that resolution and with minor color correction they should provide really stunning results, IMO.

-Rob -->>>

Heath McKnight · June 30th, 2003, 01:51 PM

I'll have some footage up either tonight or tomorrow.

heath

Mark Monciardini · July 8th, 2003, 07:01 PM

The only thing I guess with the JVC HD cam is that it looks very consumer like somthing you see at Walmart. It's a little too small for me. I think I'll give the another year to perfect the smaller DV cams. I just bought a DVX100. I don't have it yet. But I'll post some clips when I get it.

June 30th, 2003, 09:36 AM	#33
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	Michael, I'm uploading four clips to the dvinfo site now, and will upload more smaller ones a little later today. Paul. p.s. Obin, I can reccomend some very good books on color correction if you feel you need to brush up on your skills __________________ Paul

June 30th, 2003, 12:29 PM	#34
Eric Bilodeau Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicoutimi, Canada Posts: 334	Newcommer :) I've been lurking around for some weeks now and I think the time is right to get into the discussion since the camera is now available and the discussion seems to get a bit more open minded. I agree totally with Robert Jackson in his comments about the actual results available on the web. The JY-HD10u is a tool, not a complete one I must agree but a very promising one if the knowledge of the operator is sufficient. Definition indeed is the major issue here. I work a lot on the images I capture and I find the lack of definition often frustrating, I believe this camera (and others to come) will improve my work for the time being. I am curious about Paul's tests, I will wait to see them. The tests seen for the moment are in uncontrolled environments, I wonder how it will perform in a controlled one... <<<-- Originally posted by Robert Jackson : I'm curious about what aspect of the image is so unusuable? The compression is acceptable, which was the biggest problem I was expecting. The color rendition isn't bad. I realize the bar has been raised a lot in the past few years, but there's nothing about those images that seems "not even close to good enough" to use in a production to my eye. So be specific, if you can. What about those images is unacceptable for production work? It's not the images that the camera delivers that I see being problematic. It's the actual camera in use that's likely to be a problem. It seems almost impossible to adapt to a follow focus setup, the manual zoom is in all likelihood unusable and the image stabilization is apparently problematic. Those are all real considerations if you don't have time or the inclination to work around them. The images themselves, though, seem very acceptable and at that resolution and with minor color correction they should provide really stunning results, IMO. -Rob -->>> __________________ Eric Bilodeau video SFX,DOP ___________________ http://www.fictis.net info@fictis.net

June 30th, 2003, 01:51 PM	#35
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I'll have some footage up either tonight or tomorrow. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 8th, 2003, 07:01 PM	#36
Mark Monciardini Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 158	The only thing I guess with the JVC HD cam is that it looks very consumer like somthing you see at Walmart. It's a little too small for me. I think I'll give the another year to perfect the smaller DV cams. I just bought a DVX100. I don't have it yet. But I'll post some clips when I get it. __________________ Best Regards, Mark T. Monciardini Riverlight Studios www.riverlightstudios.com DVX100/Final Cut Pro 4/Mac G5 Dual 1.8

June 29th, 2003, 09:26 PM	#31
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	It's great to see HD at this level. My first experience working with HD started 16 years ago in 1987 when I was 18. That camera took while to warm up before you could use it. This was also the year that the first HD major hollywood film was released that was filmed in HighDef. Julia and Julia (1987): Kathleen Turner, Sting, Gabriel Byrne. I remember seeing it on the movie screen and thinking this is going to work, and this is the future. I nearly got my head cut off in the film community here in LA for even saying that. Though that was the day of tube cameras and it was a bitch to prevent streaking. But it still looked good. Now here we are 16yrs latter and we have HD in the palm of our hands. It's amazing. Michael Pappas www.pbase.com/PappasArts9 www.pbase.com/Arrfilms <<<-- Originally posted by Robert Jackson : <<<-- Originally posted by Michael Pappas : I have some tests I want to post that I am waiting to finish as soon as I get more material, but it shows that mini dv breaks down far sooner in extreme post work to correct the image or adjust for a certain look. Where as the JVC can take a pretty good beating in post work to shape a final look. -->>> I really look forward to seeing this, Michael. Have you shot any test footage to deliberately cause compression artifacting? I'd love to see some worst-case footage just to see what happens. BTW, sorry to register and post so much on the first day, but I find the prospect of shooting student films with HD pretty exciting. -Rob -->>>

June 30th, 2003, 07:59 AM	#32
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	yes please do showme this because I have taken the hd shots on the web and did some color work on them,,,,,they looked REALLY bad....