Just got mu JY-HD1OU

Craig Jones · June 21st, 2003, 08:28 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Yang Wen : With all this talk of how great it is, i'm surprised new owners havent put up any video clips of stuff shot on it. Please some one do so. I'd like to be proved wrong in this case, but I doubt it'll be that. -->>>

I doubt many have access to the storage and bandwidth necessary to post raw files. I do, but I don't feel qualified to shoot video that may influence others. I'm exclusively an underwater videographer.

If you have requests I may be able to help.

Paul Mogg · June 21st, 2003, 10:19 AM

Hi folks,

Just a quick note. I'm having too much fun with this new camera to spend a lot of time posting here right now, but will try and get a more detailed review later. I am also not a highly technical camera person, though I know enough to shoot high quality material. I would like to post some footage today or tomorrow. If someone could tell me where I could upload some to as I don' have a server myself, and how long the clips should be, I imagine no more than 8 seconds each for ease of downloading. I have only just got mPEG studio pro going so haven't been able to easiily edit anything, and have to learn how to use that package.

Anyway, in my head this camera is getting the nickname "The Bipolar Camera" as it is such a dichotomy. On the one hand it has awful controls, the shutter/iris non complete manual issue is a big one, the whites blow out easily. It adapts to changing light situations very slowly and visibly, it handles certain lighting situations very badly and can display pretty bad compression artifacts. When you pan or tilt, there appears to be a juddering problem under certain circumstances, where the compression doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the data coming in, (at a guess). You have to shoot at 1/30th to get a nice film type blur on fast moving objects.

On the other hand. I believe that SOME of the images I'm getting not only blow away ALL SD cameras in terms of detail and film-like image quality, but the average viewer would be hard pressed to tell them apart from Varicam footage or something of that standard.

The one thing I'm seeing is that this camera has a completly different look from DV, and I like it very much. The camera is going to have a niche market. I would not reccomend it for anyone who just wants to point and shoot home videos, (as is it's intended market), it is far too picky in what it can and can't do. I would also not reccomend it for professional shoots wher this is the only camera you have. It is not a tool that you can dial in, you will always have to work around its many inaequacies and awful controls. However, if you are up for a challenge and love learning about the obscure traits of strange new CCD, it might be for you, as I think it is for me, and it might reward you with some stunning images that are just not possible on DV.

At it's best, and under very specific circumstances, this camera delivers gorgeous pictures, that are extremely film-like, with excellent natural color reproduction and incredible detail that I'm sure could be blown up on a 40' screen and look like a Varicam shot film (at 30p)

At it's worst it delivery grainy, artifact ridden, blown out crap, that you wouldn't want to show to your dog. I hope to shoot some of the beter stuff once I learn this thing.

All the best

Paul

Michael Pappas · June 21st, 2003, 11:10 AM

Paul how about some full rez still frames as well?

Michael Pappas
www.Pbase.com/PappasArts9

Steve Mullen · June 21st, 2003, 01:51 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Craig Jones : Yes. I tried carefully and made sure I held the button for a long time. -->>>

Holding it down a long time LOCKS the control!

Try a brief push. Then adjust. Then press for 2 seconds.

Steve Mullen · June 21st, 2003, 02:00 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Mogg : Hi folks,

... the whites blow out easily.l -->>>

Exactly what you expect from a small 1/3-inch chip with over a million elements.

Try SPOTLIGHT to bias closed by 1-stop. Or, just use EC.

You must either control exposure or light.

Craig Jones · June 21st, 2003, 02:07 PM

The exposure control is locked out when S/A is enabled regardless of the duration or number of times I press it. The short-then-long doesn't work either.

Joe Carney · June 21st, 2003, 02:44 PM

no post

June 21st, 2003, 10:19 AM	#32
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	My "Bi-Polar" JY-HD1OU Camera Hi folks, Just a quick note. I'm having too much fun with this new camera to spend a lot of time posting here right now, but will try and get a more detailed review later. I am also not a highly technical camera person, though I know enough to shoot high quality material. I would like to post some footage today or tomorrow. If someone could tell me where I could upload some to as I don' have a server myself, and how long the clips should be, I imagine no more than 8 seconds each for ease of downloading. I have only just got mPEG studio pro going so haven't been able to easiily edit anything, and have to learn how to use that package. Anyway, in my head this camera is getting the nickname "The Bipolar Camera" as it is such a dichotomy. On the one hand it has awful controls, the shutter/iris non complete manual issue is a big one, the whites blow out easily. It adapts to changing light situations very slowly and visibly, it handles certain lighting situations very badly and can display pretty bad compression artifacts. When you pan or tilt, there appears to be a juddering problem under certain circumstances, where the compression doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the data coming in, (at a guess). You have to shoot at 1/30th to get a nice film type blur on fast moving objects. On the other hand. I believe that SOME of the images I'm getting not only blow away ALL SD cameras in terms of detail and film-like image quality, but the average viewer would be hard pressed to tell them apart from Varicam footage or something of that standard. The one thing I'm seeing is that this camera has a completly different look from DV, and I like it very much. The camera is going to have a niche market. I would not reccomend it for anyone who just wants to point and shoot home videos, (as is it's intended market), it is far too picky in what it can and can't do. I would also not reccomend it for professional shoots wher this is the only camera you have. It is not a tool that you can dial in, you will always have to work around its many inaequacies and awful controls. However, if you are up for a challenge and love learning about the obscure traits of strange new CCD, it might be for you, as I think it is for me, and it might reward you with some stunning images that are just not possible on DV. At it's best, and under very specific circumstances, this camera delivers gorgeous pictures, that are extremely film-like, with excellent natural color reproduction and incredible detail that I'm sure could be blown up on a 40' screen and look like a Varicam shot film (at 30p) At it's worst it delivery grainy, artifact ridden, blown out crap, that you wouldn't want to show to your dog. I hope to shoot some of the beter stuff once I learn this thing. All the best Paul __________________ Paul

June 21st, 2003, 01:51 PM	#34
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Craig Jones : Yes. I tried carefully and made sure I held the button for a long time. -->>> Holding it down a long time LOCKS the control! Try a brief push. Then adjust. Then press for 2 seconds. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

June 21st, 2003, 02:00 PM	#35
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: My "Bi-Polar" JY-HD1OU Camera <<<-- Originally posted by Paul Mogg : Hi folks, ... the whites blow out easily.l -->>> Exactly what you expect from a small 1/3-inch chip with over a million elements. Try SPOTLIGHT to bias closed by 1-stop. Or, just use EC. You must either control exposure or light. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

June 21st, 2003, 08:28 AM	#31
Craig Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 105	<<<-- Originally posted by Yang Wen : With all this talk of how great it is, i'm surprised new owners havent put up any video clips of stuff shot on it. Please some one do so. I'd like to be proved wrong in this case, but I doubt it'll be that. -->>> I doubt many have access to the storage and bandwidth necessary to post raw files. I do, but I don't feel qualified to shoot video that may influence others. I'm exclusively an underwater videographer. If you have requests I may be able to help.

June 21st, 2003, 11:10 AM	#33
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Paul how about some full rez still frames as well? Michael Pappas www.Pbase.com/PappasArts9

June 21st, 2003, 02:07 PM	#36
Craig Jones Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 105	The exposure control is locked out when S/A is enabled regardless of the duration or number of times I press it. The short-then-long doesn't work either.

June 21st, 2003, 02:44 PM	#37
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	no post