Some HD images uploaded at DVinfo.net

Michael Pappas · June 10th, 2003, 01:30 PM

A person posted a link to some pics from a short film he is making using the JVC High Definition GR-HD1U camera. Here is the post from 2-pop below.

Michael Pappas
www.pbase.com/arrfilms
www.PappasArts.com
Arrfilms@hotmail.com

<<<Hi 2-Poppers,

I just shot a short film with the new JVC GRHD1U 'MiniHD' camcorder. Here are my thoughts on the camera:

WHAT I LIKED

1) Pretty amazing for 3500 bucks. Viewing the 720p material in its full HD glory is impressive. There is some color banding and artifacting, but its not terrible, certainly not as noticeable as DV macroblocking.

2) Nice color response, very vivid and vibrant. My whole shoot was outdoors in full sunlight, and the camera did well.

3) A lot more latitude than DV. We shot side by side with a DVX100, and the JVC had a much wider luminance range than the Panasonic.

WHAT I DISLIKED

1) No way to turn down sharpening (detail). This really, really sucked. Some of the images look like I've run an unsharp mask filter on them. And, as far as I can tell, there was no way to dial this down.

2) Manual and controls are all in Japanese, which was expected, this was a Japanese model. It will be great when they make and release the English language version.

3) Its still a consumer camera, and would mysteriously jump into full auto mode and start changing my iris and shutter settings.

You can look at some of the 'downconverted' PhotoJPEG images from the camera at:

http://homepage.mac.com/ericme/PhotoAlbum7.html

I plan on posting some fulll rez stills very, very soon.

Eric Escobar

Nigel Moore · June 10th, 2003, 01:40 PM

Some of those stills are really nice, although I'm still not quite sure what I should be ooohing and aaaahing about. There were a couple of shots that still showed over-exposure when shadows were well defined, but the 'ladder' shot was beautiful for both colour and contrast.

Michael Pappas · June 10th, 2003, 02:34 PM

These images are also saved out at 640x 360 instead of the full rez of 1280x720. That alone can hurt the image. Also how it was saved also can not help. The path the images were sent through the system to the jpeg stage as well. I color corrected some of these low rez clips and they come to life when doing so. I believe in posting images to the desired look instead of getting it right in camera. I was trained in the film side, and it was in the lab were you made the images come to life not in the camera. So in todays digital posting this is were it all comes together. Now, for some it's important to get the best out of the camera and I can fully understand why many would need that. There are jobs where the turn around time is to short to do a lot of posting. I don't have that probelm, but I know many that do work tight dead lines. These are interesting times.

Michael Pappas
www.pbase.com/arrfilms
www.PappasArts.com
Arrfilms@hotmail.com

Paul Mogg · June 10th, 2003, 02:42 PM

Well that certainly seems to blow apart all that stuff written recently about this camera having poor color reproduction, those colors look very rich and lifelike to me. Were they color corrected prior to posting?

Michael Pappas · June 10th, 2003, 04:40 PM

When I saw these low res versions of the jvc pics I did some very basic color adjustments to some of them. I uploaded them to my site.

JVC HD low rez pics color adjusted:
http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts9

Michael Pappas
www.pbase.com/arrfilms
http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts1 & thru- 9
www.PappasArts.com
Arrfilms@hotmail.com

Steve Mullen · June 10th, 2003, 06:08 PM

<<<-- No way to turn down sharpening (detail). This really, really sucked. Some of the images look like I've run an unsharp mask filter on them. And, as far as I can tell, there was no way to dial this down. -->>>

I am fairly certain the HD10 has much less edge emphasis.

And, I have found I liked the color better when I color corrected the saturation by +15 clicks.

Peter Moore · June 10th, 2003, 07:42 PM

Whoa, this is a lot different than what we've seen before. Very nice looking pictures. ESPECIALLY the color corrected ones - they look outstanding. I can't wait to see some actual footage done up by people who know what they're doing. Maybe we've underestimated this thing.

Rob Lohman · June 11th, 2003, 04:44 AM

Michael,

What software did you use to color correct those stills? What
did you change primarely (add warmth so it seems).

Daymon Hoffman · June 11th, 2003, 07:07 PM

Michael,

I to like what you've done to color correct those images (though its more of a Color Enhancment really isnt it? :D) and i'd really like to learn how you did that without having to spend months reasearching it. And if possible in apps we can get out mitts on (Eg photoshop/paint shop/Vegas). Cheers

Michael Pappas · June 11th, 2003, 09:51 PM

These tests are material from a film by Eric Escobar. These are very crude tests. They are by no means official and are just done to see very crude simple surface feed back on the JVC HD camera vs. a regular mini DV SD camera like the DVX100.

The Link:
http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts9

Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms
http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts9
www.PappasArts.com
Arrfilms@hotmail.com

June 10th, 2003, 01:30 PM	#1
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Some HD images uploaded A person posted a link to some pics from a short film he is making using the JVC High Definition GR-HD1U camera. Here is the post from 2-pop below. Michael Pappas www.pbase.com/arrfilms www.PappasArts.com Arrfilms@hotmail.com <<<Hi 2-Poppers, I just shot a short film with the new JVC GRHD1U 'MiniHD' camcorder. Here are my thoughts on the camera: WHAT I LIKED 1) Pretty amazing for 3500 bucks. Viewing the 720p material in its full HD glory is impressive. There is some color banding and artifacting, but its not terrible, certainly not as noticeable as DV macroblocking. 2) Nice color response, very vivid and vibrant. My whole shoot was outdoors in full sunlight, and the camera did well. 3) A lot more latitude than DV. We shot side by side with a DVX100, and the JVC had a much wider luminance range than the Panasonic. WHAT I DISLIKED 1) No way to turn down sharpening (detail). This really, really sucked. Some of the images look like I've run an unsharp mask filter on them. And, as far as I can tell, there was no way to dial this down. 2) Manual and controls are all in Japanese, which was expected, this was a Japanese model. It will be great when they make and release the English language version. 3) Its still a consumer camera, and would mysteriously jump into full auto mode and start changing my iris and shutter settings. You can look at some of the 'downconverted' PhotoJPEG images from the camera at: http://homepage.mac.com/ericme/PhotoAlbum7.html I plan on posting some fulll rez stills very, very soon. Eric Escobar

June 10th, 2003, 02:42 PM	#4
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	Well that certainly seems to blow apart all that stuff written recently about this camera having poor color reproduction, those colors look very rich and lifelike to me. Were they color corrected prior to posting? __________________ Paul

June 10th, 2003, 04:40 PM	#5
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Did some basic color adjustments to pics When I saw these low res versions of the jvc pics I did some very basic color adjustments to some of them. I uploaded them to my site. JVC HD low rez pics color adjusted: http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts9 Michael Pappas www.pbase.com/arrfilms http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts1 & thru- 9 www.PappasArts.com Arrfilms@hotmail.com

June 10th, 2003, 06:08 PM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Re: Some HD images uploaded <<<-- No way to turn down sharpening (detail). This really, really sucked. Some of the images look like I've run an unsharp mask filter on them. And, as far as I can tell, there was no way to dial this down. -->>> I am fairly certain the HD10 has much less edge emphasis. And, I have found I liked the color better when I color corrected the saturation by +15 clicks. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

June 11th, 2003, 04:44 AM	#8
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Michael, What software did you use to color correct those stills? What did you change primarely (add warmth so it seems). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 10th, 2003, 01:40 PM	#2
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	Some of those stills are really nice, although I'm still not quite sure what I should be ooohing and aaaahing about. There were a couple of shots that still showed over-exposure when shadows were well defined, but the 'ladder' shot was beautiful for both colour and contrast.

June 10th, 2003, 02:34 PM	#3
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	These images are also saved out at 640x 360 instead of the full rez of 1280x720. That alone can hurt the image. Also how it was saved also can not help. The path the images were sent through the system to the jpeg stage as well. I color corrected some of these low rez clips and they come to life when doing so. I believe in posting images to the desired look instead of getting it right in camera. I was trained in the film side, and it was in the lab were you made the images come to life not in the camera. So in todays digital posting this is were it all comes together. Now, for some it's important to get the best out of the camera and I can fully understand why many would need that. There are jobs where the turn around time is to short to do a lot of posting. I don't have that probelm, but I know many that do work tight dead lines. These are interesting times. Michael Pappas www.pbase.com/arrfilms www.PappasArts.com Arrfilms@hotmail.com

June 10th, 2003, 07:42 PM	#7
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Whoa, this is a lot different than what we've seen before. Very nice looking pictures. ESPECIALLY the color corrected ones - they look outstanding. I can't wait to see some actual footage done up by people who know what they're doing. Maybe we've underestimated this thing.

June 11th, 2003, 07:07 PM	#9
Daymon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 267	Michael, I to like what you've done to color correct those images (though its more of a Color Enhancment really isnt it? :D) and i'd really like to learn how you did that without having to spend months reasearching it. And if possible in apps we can get out mitts on (Eg photoshop/paint shop/Vegas). Cheers __________________ Welcome... to the real world!

June 11th, 2003, 09:51 PM	#10
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	JVC GR-HD1U vs DVX100 simple test analysis. These tests are material from a film by Eric Escobar. These are very crude tests. They are by no means official and are just done to see very crude simple surface feed back on the JVC HD camera vs. a regular mini DV SD camera like the DVX100. The Link: http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts9 Michael Pappas http://www.pbase.com/arrfilms http://www.pbase.com/PappasArts9 www.PappasArts.com Arrfilms@hotmail.com