JVC finally announces HD Everio!!!

Guy Barwood · January 8th, 2007, 06:58 AM

April 2007 for $1,799.95 RRP

Steve Nunez · January 8th, 2007, 11:46 AM

Seeing as to this cameras progressive scan CCD's- it'd be awesome if it offered some sort of "frame" mode or "progressive" mode......I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this one!!

Steve Nunez · January 9th, 2007, 09:38 PM

Latest word is that this JVC will NOT have an "HDV" rec type format- this leaves us with NO native video type to use in our NLE's!!!!

I recall Chris Hurd saying HDV was developed as a "Tape" only format and I was indeed surprised JVC was able to encode on the fly to that format on the internal HD- I guess now we know this JVC can't do this ( I was hoping it would.)

So this sorta leaves us with raw video likely in M2T format that will have to be recoded to a NLE native format- meaning allot of time spent in conversions. This is the same scenario the Everio camcorders currently available leave us with as they record to a .mod file format which is a muxed mpeg2 stream with Dolby 5.1 audio. Mpegstreamclip is the encoder of choice for Mac users- I'm sure JVC will include a Windows solution.

This is a big thumbs down for ease of use as the files wont be able to be used right off the internal HD.

I'm still interested in the camcorder as it's the only 60GB HD HiDef camera and I'd rather convert video files than shoot to tape and capture etc.

If you guys learn anything new, please post your findings.

Heath McKnight · January 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM

I figured when they said it was going to a drive or memory stick, or whatever. HDV/.m2t MUST be on minidv tape to be called HDV. Not to say you can't record it onto a drive, but then it technically isn't HDV.

heath

Guy Barwood · January 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM

Whats wrong with M2T?

HDV is a tape only format so the camera, without a tape drive can not claim to be HDV but it can still record to disk a stream of video with the same codec specs as HDV records to tape. This is the same as you would get if you capture to your NLE without an intermediate codec.

Liquid imports M2T without the need for any conversions.

Steve Nunez · January 9th, 2007, 09:46 PM

If this is indeed the case- this is great news as a native type video is necessary to make NLE editing possible w/o re-encoding.

Here's a video showcasing it by a JVC rep

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8918&q=jvc+hd7

Paulo Teixeira · January 9th, 2007, 09:47 PM

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces2007/j...-hd-227549.php

Heath McKnight · January 9th, 2007, 09:47 PM

HDV is great; we shot my newest feature film on HDV, with the Z1u.

heath

Steve Nunez · January 9th, 2007, 09:54 PM

Paulo- good find!!!!

These next few months are gonna go real slowwwwwww.

Paulo Teixeira · January 9th, 2007, 10:18 PM

Steve Nunez,
At least you showed us a video of the unit. All we need now is the impress.watch site to get a hold of one and post video clips. In the bright side, since this is Mpeg2, anybody without a powerful computer will be able to view the footage naturally unlike AVCHD.

Rush Hamden · January 9th, 2007, 10:28 PM

Looks very good, and very compact. It actually reminds me of a Fujinon lens before it gets attached to a camera body. Nice form factor. The Gizmodo guy did sound a bit biased at first, but he straightened out towards the end and gave some fair descriptions. If this baby shoots as well as my Z1U with better color fidelity than standard HDV, a 5-hour runtime before dumping the HDD, and a simple means of getting it into FCP, well...

Guy Barwood · January 9th, 2007, 10:47 PM

Don't get me wrong but there are still some issues to consider:

Battery life: Typically for JVC, battery life sux. 80min with the largest battery.

Don't forget the resolution is somewhat faked. Much of it comes from pixel offset, not a native 1920x1080 block, or even a 1280x720 block.it is a 1016x558 block with 976x548 effective pixels. This block isn't much more than a 16:9 SD (PAL) block using pixel offset to up the res (actually a PAL SD block has 576 vs this unit 548).

Other cameras that use pixel offset, such as the Panasonic HVX200 have shown to be softer in 1080 mode than the HD100 with its native 1280x720 CCD block.

Size: You couldn't use this camera for anything but consumer users, or semi-pro second camera (in a wedding for example), or as a POV. I understand it is all it is really designed for so that is fine, but its no HD replacement to the GY-DV300.

Steve Nunez · January 10th, 2007, 06:36 AM

True- the native res isn't as high as one would hope for in a HD cam- but, considering it's reputable broadcast quality Fujinon lens- the pixel shifting might work out to be fine in the end (assuming it's native video is good to begin with.)

Small web samples simply wont do unless they're at 1440 or better- it's gonna be a long wait!

For my use this camera is perfect- let's hope JVC doesn't let us down with sub-par video performance.

(JVC if you're listening- provide som Mac software for once with these cams!)

Guy Barwood · January 10th, 2007, 07:00 AM

This thing is meant to have a progressive block right? Yet there is no mention of it supporting 720p. At least with a decent 720p it could be a great cheapish little POV or second unit to match a much bigger brother 100/200 series.

Anyone knows what battery type it uses? If it is compatible with the 428 or 438 then you could possibly even use the AB/V-Mount adaptor for the HD100 on it for ample power. I have quite a bit of JVC batteries and adaptors for their higher end JVC mount, it would be a shame to not to be able to recycle it on such a unit as well. 80 min from the biggest battery (ie the 438) tells me it either using a smaller consumer JVC battery or is one hell of a power hog.

Paulo Teixeira · January 10th, 2007, 03:03 PM

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=26080

January 8th, 2007, 11:46 AM	#32
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Seeing as to this cameras progressive scan CCD's- it'd be awesome if it offered some sort of "frame" mode or "progressive" mode......I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this one!! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 9th, 2007, 09:38 PM	#33
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Big Ooooops by JVC.... Latest word is that this JVC will NOT have an "HDV" rec type format- this leaves us with NO native video type to use in our NLE's!!!! I recall Chris Hurd saying HDV was developed as a "Tape" only format and I was indeed surprised JVC was able to encode on the fly to that format on the internal HD- I guess now we know this JVC can't do this ( I was hoping it would.) So this sorta leaves us with raw video likely in M2T format that will have to be recoded to a NLE native format- meaning allot of time spent in conversions. This is the same scenario the Everio camcorders currently available leave us with as they record to a .mod file format which is a muxed mpeg2 stream with Dolby 5.1 audio. Mpegstreamclip is the encoder of choice for Mac users- I'm sure JVC will include a Windows solution. This is a big thumbs down for ease of use as the files wont be able to be used right off the internal HD. I'm still interested in the camcorder as it's the only 60GB HD HiDef camera and I'd rather convert video files than shoot to tape and capture etc. If you guys learn anything new, please post your findings. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM	#34
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I figured when they said it was going to a drive or memory stick, or whatever. HDV/.m2t MUST be on minidv tape to be called HDV. Not to say you can't record it onto a drive, but then it technically isn't HDV. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 9th, 2007, 09:46 PM	#36
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	If this is indeed the case- this is great news as a native type video is necessary to make NLE editing possible w/o re-encoding. Here's a video showcasing it by a JVC rep http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8918&q=jvc+hd7 __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 9th, 2007, 09:47 PM	#37
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January 8th, 2007, 06:58 AM	#31
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	April 2007 for $1,799.95 RRP

January 9th, 2007, 09:54 PM	#39
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Paulo- good find!!!! These next few months are gonna go real slowwwwwww. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 9th, 2007, 10:18 PM	#40
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Steve Nunez, At least you showed us a video of the unit. All we need now is the impress.watch site to get a hold of one and post video clips. In the bright side, since this is Mpeg2, anybody without a powerful computer will be able to view the footage naturally unlike AVCHD. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

January 9th, 2007, 10:28 PM	#41
Rush Hamden Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Burbank, California Posts: 122	Looks very good, and very compact. It actually reminds me of a Fujinon lens before it gets attached to a camera body. Nice form factor. The Gizmodo guy did sound a bit biased at first, but he straightened out towards the end and gave some fair descriptions. If this baby shoots as well as my Z1U with better color fidelity than standard HDV, a 5-hour runtime before dumping the HDD, and a simple means of getting it into FCP, well... __________________ Want to get more from your hard-earned gear? Digital Cinema Filmmaking Course 24 hours of educational video on 16 DVDs, focused on filmmaking savvy, examples, demonstrations, and tips. Learn Scriptwriting, Formatting, Editing, Camera Operation, Lighting, Exposure, Audio, and Directing.

January 9th, 2007, 10:47 PM	#42
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	Don't get me wrong but there are still some issues to consider: Battery life: Typically for JVC, battery life sux. 80min with the largest battery. Don't forget the resolution is somewhat faked. Much of it comes from pixel offset, not a native 1920x1080 block, or even a 1280x720 block.it is a 1016x558 block with 976x548 effective pixels. This block isn't much more than a 16:9 SD (PAL) block using pixel offset to up the res (actually a PAL SD block has 576 vs this unit 548). Other cameras that use pixel offset, such as the Panasonic HVX200 have shown to be softer in 1080 mode than the HD100 with its native 1280x720 CCD block. Size: You couldn't use this camera for anything but consumer users, or semi-pro second camera (in a wedding for example), or as a POV. I understand it is all it is really designed for so that is fine, but its no HD replacement to the GY-DV300.

January 10th, 2007, 06:36 AM	#43
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	True- the native res isn't as high as one would hope for in a HD cam- but, considering it's reputable broadcast quality Fujinon lens- the pixel shifting might work out to be fine in the end (assuming it's native video is good to begin with.) Small web samples simply wont do unless they're at 1440 or better- it's gonna be a long wait! For my use this camera is perfect- let's hope JVC doesn't let us down with sub-par video performance. (JVC if you're listening- provide som Mac software for once with these cams!) __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 10th, 2007, 07:00 AM	#44
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	This thing is meant to have a progressive block right? Yet there is no mention of it supporting 720p. At least with a decent 720p it could be a great cheapish little POV or second unit to match a much bigger brother 100/200 series. Anyone knows what battery type it uses? If it is compatible with the 428 or 438 then you could possibly even use the AB/V-Mount adaptor for the HD100 on it for ample power. I have quite a bit of JVC batteries and adaptors for their higher end JVC mount, it would be a shame to not to be able to recycle it on such a unit as well. 80 min from the biggest battery (ie the 438) tells me it either using a smaller consumer JVC battery or is one hell of a power hog.

January 10th, 2007, 03:03 PM	#45
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=26080 __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot