JVC finally announces HD Everio!!!

Heath McKnight · January 7th, 2007, 02:47 PM

Paulo,

I'm guessing the AVCHD cameras will be it, though I wonder if there will be a new HDV Sony consumer camera. This thread talks about the disappearance of the HC3 at www.sonystyle.com, which Paulo pointed out that CES may have something:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=83024

heath

Steve Nunez · January 7th, 2007, 03:22 PM

Heath, let's hope no clipping problems.....I don't think it'll do 720p30- although 720p30 seems to be left behind with all the current 1080 cams coming out. I haven't been so excited about a cam since the XH A1!

Mark Goldberg · January 7th, 2007, 04:55 PM

This could be a great POV and backup cam for event work. There are a few important questions. What is the recording format? If AVCHD, does it include software to allow that to be editing with HDV material in an application like Vegas? Also important - does it have an external microphone jack? Sony nixed this on its C3 and Canon nixed it on their HV10.

Steve Nunez · January 7th, 2007, 05:02 PM

Mark- I believe I read somewhere JVC is not part of the consortium that supports cams that use the AVCHD format- so I'm pretty sure it wont shoot to that format.

Guy Barwood · January 7th, 2007, 05:30 PM

"and an HDV Compatible mode with a resolution of 1440 x 1080i"

So it doesn't really matter what other formats it can record in as you can always use this mode and import into any NLE that suppors native HDV.

What concerns me the most with this camera is:

Sensitivity (1/5" gona suk)
Mic in ability
Battery life (always a concern with JVC)
Manual control abilities
10x zoom isn't the greatest (& how wide is 3.3mm on a 1/5" 16:9 sensor)?

"Because the pixel-shift system uses progressive scan CCDs, signals are processed first as 1920 x 1080p progressive signals, then converted to 1920 x 1080i interlace signals for recording."

Does this mean that it is actually recording 1920x1080P? and just using an interlaced recording format to put it to disk (where two interlaced field can be used to form a single progressive frame).
I wonder if there will be a Pro version of this to come at NAB 2007?

Paulo Teixeira · January 7th, 2007, 05:48 PM

Guy Barwood,

In that press release, it mentions this:

“JVC’s newly developed Gigabrid engine improves picture quality throughout the line-up by integrating various noise reduction technologies to increase the signal-to-noise ratio by about 30 percent (3dB) over previous models. All 2007 Everio models feature shooting sensitivity equal to or better than previous models. CCD image sensors in the line-up range from 680k pixels to 5.37megapixels, tailored for various shooting needs.”

They still should have tried making the CCDs a little bit bigger considering the Panasonic SD1 has ¼” CCDs.

Guy Barwood · January 7th, 2007, 05:54 PM

Not to mention that JVC cameras are notoriously noisy in gain so this improvement 'may' get them at least closer to a level playing field with the likes of Sony. It certainly won't put them ahead though.

Steve Nunez · January 7th, 2007, 06:00 PM

If at the very least it eclipses the performance of the HD1/HD10U series- they'd be on the right track, 1/5" sensors are indeed small!

Jack Zhang · January 7th, 2007, 06:03 PM

Once again, we can't get the best of both the worlds of 1920x1080 CCD/CMOS chips and the world of square pixel 1920x1080 recording...

Hopefully later on this year a camera will come out in the under $10,000 range that provides all that AND a mic in.

Steve Nunez · January 7th, 2007, 09:09 PM

No one knows if this cam has "mic in" yet- but the original high end Everio MC500 3CCD camera did NOT have a mic in yet the newer revised 505 DOES- and it is a VERY similar form factor to this HD version- so we might be all surprised to find this HD version does have a mic in (surprised if it didn't).....we'll have to wait and see.

(If anyone here is going to the CES show- might you look into this apect??)

Guy Barwood · January 7th, 2007, 09:24 PM

While this looks like it will be a great little cam, even sensitivity might not be 'too' bad with a not too high pixel count CCD using offset for resolution and improved gain performance I am hoping this is showing the possibility of something like a Pro version of this at NAB which is only 3 months away.

I have to admit though I should not hold my breath, its not like JVC really have any other Pro version of a consumer cam. Pro & consumer don't seem to interact at all at JVC. The 10U and 1U both came from the Pro department didn't they? The Pro department have been pretty busy as well with the HD200 and HD250.

One can live in hope though.

Steve Nunez · January 7th, 2007, 09:34 PM

Guy- if I recall correctly- the HD10U was considered a "pro" model and handled via JVC's "pro" division as where the HD1U was considered a consumer camcorder and handled by the "consumer" division....I'd check with the forum dedicated to them- but I think they were different dept cams!

(I have owned both and still have a HD1U)

Guy Barwood · January 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM

Agreed that was the way they were marketed and maybe even distributed but I seriously doubt the consumer devision developed the 1U.

I'd rather see the Pro department make a consumer version of a Pro camera (like I think happened with the 10U/1U) than the consumer department try to make a "Pro" version of one of their models.

Its all speculation of course.

Derek Green · January 8th, 2007, 02:34 AM

Mic input confirmed.

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/1195...hd7_camcorder/

Should be a nice little camera. Hopefully the picture quality is up to snuff. Sounds like they're being fairly conscious of the avg. consumer and throwing in a complete software editing solution with the package. Not that a video camera manufacturer would ever sell you a camera with an uneditable video format heh.

Shawn Kessler · January 8th, 2007, 05:28 AM

would be nice:)

January 7th, 2007, 02:47 PM	#16
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Paulo, I'm guessing the AVCHD cameras will be it, though I wonder if there will be a new HDV Sony consumer camera. This thread talks about the disappearance of the HC3 at www.sonystyle.com, which Paulo pointed out that CES may have something: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=83024 heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 7th, 2007, 03:22 PM	#17
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Heath, let's hope no clipping problems.....I don't think it'll do 720p30- although 720p30 seems to be left behind with all the current 1080 cams coming out. I haven't been so excited about a cam since the XH A1! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 7th, 2007, 05:02 PM	#19
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Mark- I believe I read somewhere JVC is not part of the consortium that supports cams that use the AVCHD format- so I'm pretty sure it wont shoot to that format. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 7th, 2007, 05:48 PM	#21
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Guy Barwood, In that press release, it mentions this: “JVC’s newly developed Gigabrid engine improves picture quality throughout the line-up by integrating various noise reduction technologies to increase the signal-to-noise ratio by about 30 percent (3dB) over previous models. All 2007 Everio models feature shooting sensitivity equal to or better than previous models. CCD image sensors in the line-up range from 680k pixels to 5.37megapixels, tailored for various shooting needs.” They still should have tried making the CCDs a little bit bigger considering the Panasonic SD1 has ¼” CCDs. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

January 7th, 2007, 06:00 PM	#23
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	If at the very least it eclipses the performance of the HD1/HD10U series- they'd be on the right track, 1/5" sensors are indeed small! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 7th, 2007, 04:55 PM	#18
Mark Goldberg Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Annapolis, Maryland Posts: 101	This could be a great POV and backup cam for event work. There are a few important questions. What is the recording format? If AVCHD, does it include software to allow that to be editing with HDV material in an application like Vegas? Also important - does it have an external microphone jack? Sony nixed this on its C3 and Canon nixed it on their HV10.

January 7th, 2007, 05:30 PM	#20
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	"and an HDV Compatible mode with a resolution of 1440 x 1080i" So it doesn't really matter what other formats it can record in as you can always use this mode and import into any NLE that suppors native HDV. What concerns me the most with this camera is: Sensitivity (1/5" gona suk) Mic in ability Battery life (always a concern with JVC) Manual control abilities 10x zoom isn't the greatest (& how wide is 3.3mm on a 1/5" 16:9 sensor)? "Because the pixel-shift system uses progressive scan CCDs, signals are processed first as 1920 x 1080p progressive signals, then converted to 1920 x 1080i interlace signals for recording." Does this mean that it is actually recording 1920x1080P? and just using an interlaced recording format to put it to disk (where two interlaced field can be used to form a single progressive frame). I wonder if there will be a Pro version of this to come at NAB 2007?

January 7th, 2007, 05:54 PM	#22
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	Not to mention that JVC cameras are notoriously noisy in gain so this improvement 'may' get them at least closer to a level playing field with the likes of Sony. It certainly won't put them ahead though.

January 7th, 2007, 06:03 PM	#24
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Once again, we can't get the best of both the worlds of 1920x1080 CCD/CMOS chips and the world of square pixel 1920x1080 recording... Hopefully later on this year a camera will come out in the under $10,000 range that provides all that AND a mic in.

January 7th, 2007, 09:09 PM	#25
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	No one knows if this cam has "mic in" yet- but the original high end Everio MC500 3CCD camera did NOT have a mic in yet the newer revised 505 DOES- and it is a VERY similar form factor to this HD version- so we might be all surprised to find this HD version does have a mic in (surprised if it didn't).....we'll have to wait and see. (If anyone here is going to the CES show- might you look into this apect??) __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 7th, 2007, 09:24 PM	#26
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	While this looks like it will be a great little cam, even sensitivity might not be 'too' bad with a not too high pixel count CCD using offset for resolution and improved gain performance I am hoping this is showing the possibility of something like a Pro version of this at NAB which is only 3 months away. I have to admit though I should not hold my breath, its not like JVC really have any other Pro version of a consumer cam. Pro & consumer don't seem to interact at all at JVC. The 10U and 1U both came from the Pro department didn't they? The Pro department have been pretty busy as well with the HD200 and HD250. One can live in hope though.

January 7th, 2007, 09:34 PM	#27
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Guy- if I recall correctly- the HD10U was considered a "pro" model and handled via JVC's "pro" division as where the HD1U was considered a consumer camcorder and handled by the "consumer" division....I'd check with the forum dedicated to them- but I think they were different dept cams! (I have owned both and still have a HD1U) __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

January 7th, 2007, 09:39 PM	#28
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	Agreed that was the way they were marketed and maybe even distributed but I seriously doubt the consumer devision developed the 1U. I'd rather see the Pro department make a consumer version of a Pro camera (like I think happened with the 10U/1U) than the consumer department try to make a "Pro" version of one of their models. Its all speculation of course.

January 8th, 2007, 02:34 AM	#29
Derek Green Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 62	Mic input confirmed. http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/1195...hd7_camcorder/ Should be a nice little camera. Hopefully the picture quality is up to snuff. Sounds like they're being fairly conscious of the avg. consumer and throwing in a complete software editing solution with the package. Not that a video camera manufacturer would ever sell you a camera with an uneditable video format heh.

January 8th, 2007, 05:28 AM	#30
Shawn Kessler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ofallon missouri Posts: 123	release date? would be nice:)