A JVC HD7 Short filmed with Brevis at DVinfo.net

Simon Gee · November 22nd, 2007, 05:19 PM

Last week we took part in our first 48 hour film marathon at the Kendal Mountain Flm Festival. We filmed on the HD7 with a brevis 35mm adaptor on the front (with the lens attached it looked like something to take out the Taliban!). The photography out of it is IMHO beautiful soft and rich (even when ground glass screen wasnt vibrating as it is meant to).

Our aim with the short was to capture the obsessive nature of climbing

See it here

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FDJqw_cZaqQ

Comments apperciated as its the first film I've made (written and produced is the fancy terms I think!)

Ken Hull · November 23rd, 2007, 12:26 AM

Very entertaining! Took me a while to realize the rock was narrating (guess I'm a bit slow), but very clever. Usually I don't go for shallow DOF, but I think you used it well here.

Steve Mullen · November 23rd, 2007, 12:51 AM

Wonderful! Everything a short film should be!

I did not miss 24fps because the use of DOF worked well. But, am curious if you will use the instructions in Chapter 10 on converting it to 24fps.

Also -- we really need an HD version of U-tube!

Simon Gee · November 23rd, 2007, 03:43 AM

Cheers guys
I dont really undertand the 24P stuff, i understand the principle but is it really that much different from when i render out to pal 25fps. Do you have any exampls of with and without i can look at?

Steve Mullen · November 23rd, 2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon Gee

Cheers guys
I dont really undertand the 24P stuff, i understand the principle but is it really that much different from when i render out to pal 25fps. Do you have any exampls of with and without i can look at?

I forgot you are in PAL world. :(

Right now you are working in 50i. If you deinterlace you get 25p which is the equal of 24fps. You can't record this to tape or HD DVD, but you can make 1920x1080 QT movies to play on your computer which can be fed by DVI-HDMI to your HDTV. These will look more like film. I think it would be worth the time given you are already getting a film look.

Can you post some pix of HD7 with Brevius.

Ray Grizzle · November 23rd, 2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

Also -- we really need an HD version of U-tube!

Vimeo.com baby!
Also, I very much agree. It was awesome! I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of work, you obviously put some time and thought and time into it.

I've been thinking about getting an adapter for a while and your video has convinced me that much more. Would you mind posting some pics of your rig?

Simon Gee · November 24th, 2007, 03:58 PM

Here's 2 pics of the Brevis beast. I have kept them full resolution so you can zoom in to look at the quality of duck tape work!
http://www.sycamore-house.co.uk/Brevis/P1030095.JPG
http://www.sycamore-house.co.uk/Brevis/P1030096.JPG

John, my mate hwo owns it got an aluminimum billet and thread it for tripod mounting with the centre of balance further forward. Overall the billet and pads support the extension in lieu of rails...that he is now making.
From the movie yu will see it was mostly tripod shot but some handheld.

Everything is upside down in the viewfinder/screen but if you put a magnet over the point where the screen joins the body it flips it.
As the camera is actually focused on the ground glass screen you need to be in macro and slightly zoomed in to overcome vignetting

In post we had to flip very seqeunce and we also noticed that the HD7 chip is not in line with the lens centre!

If you watch the video very carefully you can spot when the screen was not vibrating....you can actaully see it...check out the very last shot for example...as it is it doesnt detract as we didnt have any big solid consistent colour areas where i think it would show up more.

Any other q's fire away

S

Steve Mullen · November 24th, 2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon Gee

Overall the billet and pads support the extension in lieu of rails...that he is now making.
From the movie yu will see it was mostly tripod shot but some handheld.

I would love to put some pix of your project in my book. If you can post some clean shots (plain background) and a CU of the magnet -- that would be great.

I also think folks would like a list of what parts you bought from Brevis.

What do you do to rotate the pix in your NLE?

Ray Grizzle · November 24th, 2007, 08:36 PM

You just slap a magnet there? It isn't dangerous?

Simon Gee · November 25th, 2007, 05:19 AM

should be able to sort some pics...if nothing else will just remove the background.
I will ask John about the parts he bought etc.

RG-I was blown away by the magnet trick but t seems quite common among photographers (John who bought the Brevis is a pro photographer). He has a little 1/3 inch diameter magent that he regualarly uses.

I use Sony Vegas, so in 'event pan crop' there is a rotation tool. i am sure there is a way to do it to multiple clips simultaneously in the timeline but i haven't found it yet.

Ray Grizzle · November 26th, 2007, 01:16 AM

Hmmm, interesting, any idea if it has to be a specific type of magnet? Also, in Vegas, if you bring up the project properties, you can set the output rotation so that it rotates all of the video.

Simon Gee · November 26th, 2007, 06:48 AM

magnet...john has one he uses with his digi slr kit...but we also used a magnet from a cycle computer (you know the one that goes on the spokes)

Couldent see the bit you say in vegas...can you be more specific...also does it allow you to flip everything before edit...to avoid the tsanding with crooked necks looking at review screen

S

Steve Mullen · November 26th, 2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon Gee

Couldent see the bit you say in vegas...can you be more specific...also does it allow you to flip everything before edit...to avoid the tsanding with crooked necks looking at review screen

S

MPEGStreamclip can flop during TOD to AIC conversion.

Tony Tibbetts · December 14th, 2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mullen

I did not miss 24fps because the use of DOF worked well. But, am curious if you will use the instructions in Chapter 10 on converting it to 24fps.

Chapter 10... of what? The manual? Is there some sort of method for getting this cam to do 24p or is it just the tried and true (magic bullet, dvfilm, nattress) deinterlace conversion?

Steve Mullen · December 16th, 2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Tibbetts

Chapter 10... of what? The manual? Is there some sort of method for getting this cam to do 24p or is it just the tried and true (magic bullet, dvfilm, nattress) deinterlace conversion?

Sorry -- Chapter 10 of my eBook on the HD7.

http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c/GZ-HD7.htm

Yes -- Chapter 10 provides a step-by-step on using DVFILM's utility to convert -- after editing -- i60 to p24 OR i50 to p25.

The process is for going to film. It's not clear how it will look when played via the internet. That's why I was interested in Simon's trying it with his movie.

November 22nd, 2007, 05:19 PM	#1
Simon Gee Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United kingdom Posts: 51	A JVC HD7 Short filmed with Brevis Last week we took part in our first 48 hour film marathon at the Kendal Mountain Flm Festival. We filmed on the HD7 with a brevis 35mm adaptor on the front (with the lens attached it looked like something to take out the Taliban!). The photography out of it is IMHO beautiful soft and rich (even when ground glass screen wasnt vibrating as it is meant to). Our aim with the short was to capture the obsessive nature of climbing See it here http://youtube.com/watch?v=FDJqw_cZaqQ Comments apperciated as its the first film I've made (written and produced is the fancy terms I think!)

November 23rd, 2007, 12:26 AM	#2
Ken Hull Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 240	Sexy Rock Very entertaining! Took me a while to realize the rock was narrating (guess I'm a bit slow), but very clever. Usually I don't go for shallow DOF, but I think you used it well here.

November 23rd, 2007, 12:51 AM	#3
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Wonderful! Everything a short film should be! I did not miss 24fps because the use of DOF worked well. But, am curious if you will use the instructions in Chapter 10 on converting it to 24fps. Also -- we really need an HD version of U-tube! __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

November 23rd, 2007, 03:43 AM	#4
Simon Gee Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United kingdom Posts: 51	Cheers guys I dont really undertand the 24P stuff, i understand the principle but is it really that much different from when i render out to pal 25fps. Do you have any exampls of with and without i can look at?

November 24th, 2007, 03:58 PM	#7
Simon Gee Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United kingdom Posts: 51	Here's 2 pics of the Brevis beast. I have kept them full resolution so you can zoom in to look at the quality of duck tape work! http://www.sycamore-house.co.uk/Brevis/P1030095.JPG http://www.sycamore-house.co.uk/Brevis/P1030096.JPG John, my mate hwo owns it got an aluminimum billet and thread it for tripod mounting with the centre of balance further forward. Overall the billet and pads support the extension in lieu of rails...that he is now making. From the movie yu will see it was mostly tripod shot but some handheld. Everything is upside down in the viewfinder/screen but if you put a magnet over the point where the screen joins the body it flips it. As the camera is actually focused on the ground glass screen you need to be in macro and slightly zoomed in to overcome vignetting In post we had to flip very seqeunce and we also noticed that the HD7 chip is not in line with the lens centre! If you watch the video very carefully you can spot when the screen was not vibrating....you can actaully see it...check out the very last shot for example...as it is it doesnt detract as we didnt have any big solid consistent colour areas where i think it would show up more. Any other q's fire away S

November 24th, 2007, 08:36 PM	#9
Ray Grizzle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego California Posts: 35	You just slap a magnet there? It isn't dangerous?

November 25th, 2007, 05:19 AM	#10
Simon Gee Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United kingdom Posts: 51	should be able to sort some pics...if nothing else will just remove the background. I will ask John about the parts he bought etc. RG-I was blown away by the magnet trick but t seems quite common among photographers (John who bought the Brevis is a pro photographer). He has a little 1/3 inch diameter magent that he regualarly uses. I use Sony Vegas, so in 'event pan crop' there is a rotation tool. i am sure there is a way to do it to multiple clips simultaneously in the timeline but i haven't found it yet.

November 26th, 2007, 01:16 AM	#11
Ray Grizzle Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego California Posts: 35	Hmmm, interesting, any idea if it has to be a specific type of magnet? Also, in Vegas, if you bring up the project properties, you can set the output rotation so that it rotates all of the video.

November 26th, 2007, 06:48 AM	#12
Simon Gee Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United kingdom Posts: 51	magnet...john has one he uses with his digi slr kit...but we also used a magnet from a cycle computer (you know the one that goes on the spokes) Couldent see the bit you say in vegas...can you be more specific...also does it allow you to flip everything before edit...to avoid the tsanding with crooked necks looking at review screen S