V2 bugs at DVinfo.net

Rohan Dadswell · October 2nd, 2015, 11:19 PM

Still early days of playing with version 2 but two (related?) issues I've found.

Histogram - does not show up on the SDI out. The audio levels disappear but the histogram doesn't appear.

Spot meter - area boxes don't show up on the SDI out. The percentage numbers show up on the right hand side bit the boxes showing what is being metered aren't there.

As I'm using the add on viewfinder with this cam this is a bit annoying - an update soon please JVC (if anyone from JVC reads this forum)

Steve Rosen · October 3rd, 2015, 08:43 AM

Well, to be fair those aren't really bugs, they're more like oversights. I too use an external EVF exclusively and would like to see anything that's available to the LCD also available externally.

I'm not so worried about the histogram or meter, since luckily I have the Gratical (and I don't even get how to use the JVC's histogram).

But two that I would like are the B&W Focus Assist with color peaking (I think that's brilliant, unique and pretty much overlooked) and especially the in-camera LUT when shooting J-LOG1 - I'm pretty good at hitting exposure, but need all the help I can get focusing (tired old eyes).

Also, since J-LOG1 has the "1" after it, does that mean there might be a J-LOG2 in the works? I hope so - not so much because I need or want it, but because I'd like to see JVC continue to support this camera and push it solidly into the competition to attract more adopters. That would be good for all of us.

As for the SDI/HDMI output, I'm not sure that the features we've requested could be output via a firmware update, there might possibly be a circuit issue that would make it hardware related.

Steve Rosen · October 3rd, 2015, 10:37 AM

There IS a V2 "bug" that JVC has got to fix soon. I'm setting my highlights at 108%, and it shows 108% on the Gratical's histogram. But when I import into FCPX the highlights are clipped at 100%. I thought it might be FCPX, but my footage previous to the 2.0 upgrade still imports at 108%.

Please, someone at JVC take heed of this and get it fixed. It's killing the potential of J-LOG.

Rohan Dadswell · October 3rd, 2015, 04:00 PM

Well I called it a bug as the audio meters disappear to make way for the histogram but it doesn't appear.

We all different needs and ways of shooting - my viewfinder (Aphatron) has B&W Focus Assist with color peaking (& waveform) but it would be good to have it. But only when display to TV is selected - wouldn't want it to pop up is I was recording to external recorder or live feed.

Will check out this 108% issue.

Steve Rosen · October 4th, 2015, 08:52 AM

Yeah, if it appears on the LCD, it should be available externally, especially since, given the negative reviews of the camera's EVF and LCD, it makes sense that many will be using external monitoring of some sort.

I'm not sure about the 108% in LOG. I'm not savvy enough to totally understand the dynamics of the image on the waveform in post, but there is a hard clip on the whites (however, the image does grade very nicely - and easily, which is a big deal for a documentarian that shoots lots of footage). I do know that it's clipping at 100% with the Cinema Gamma now. The footage I shot immediately prior to the upgrade is 108%, so something changed.

Another thing - and I'm sure it's intentional and not a bug - is that auto exposure is disabled when shooting J-LOG1. I never use auto, so it's no big deal, but those who depend on it should be aware.

Also if you switch back and forth between J-LOG and other gammas, the ISO presets change, and they're not "memorized", so you have to reset them - be aware of that too.

I really liked the Cinema Gamma setting the way I had it set up, but after shooting J-LOG for several days and finding it so easy to grade, that will probably be my permanent setting now (BTW, it also seems to give about a half to three-quarters of a stop more sensitivity at any given ISO).

Steve Rosen · October 4th, 2015, 05:32 PM

Weird thing - been shooting J-Log for a couple of days... This afternoon, for the hell of it, I switched back to Cinema, to do a side-by-side test. And the highlights came in at 108%! I went back to the Cinema Gamma I shot Friday, and yes, it was and still is 100%. I can't figure this one out.

BTW, I'm staying with J-Log - it yields very smooth, pleasing skin tones - I shoot people without lighting 90% of the time - and it's very easy to grade, even for clunkers like me.

Duncan Craig · October 5th, 2015, 04:57 AM

How are you working with J-Log, do you have a LUT, or simply grading it to make it look OK?

Ignore me, I see this has been answered in the other thread.

Dave Bittner · October 5th, 2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rosen

Weird thing - been shooting J-Log for a couple of days... This afternoon, for the hell of it, I switched back to Cinema, to do a side-by-side test. And the highlights came in at 108%! I went back to the Cinema Gamma I shot Friday, and yes, it was and still is 100%. I can't figure this one out.

BTW, I'm staying with J-Log - it yields very smooth, pleasing skin tones - I shoot people without lighting 90% of the time - and it's very easy to grade, even for clunkers like me.

I agree, the little bit I've shot with it so far really grades nicely, especially the skin tones. There seem to be (as expected) a lot more latitude for pulling down the highlights and fine tuning things.

I'd love to see some more information from JVC.

Rohan Dadswell · October 6th, 2015, 05:44 PM

Steve - not having any issue with highlights hitting 108%, still happening in Cinema & JLog.

Steve Rosen · October 7th, 2015, 08:22 AM

I don't know what happened that first day when I upgraded, but the highlights are 108% for me now too. It's like the camera was tired from all the work I've been asking it to do and needed a little rest.

Every day I use this thing, the more I like it. I went out last night with two prime lenses - the 17.5 Nokton and the 35mm Leica Summarit f2.8. I set the VSM at 92%, which caused minimal vignetting on the Nokton, just slightly in the bottom right corner. With the Prime Zoom I had the equivalent of approximately 14mm to 80mm with those two little lenses - and with the Nokton I could shoot in extremely low light. Even at 43% VSM the blacks held up nicely, very reminiscent of shooting film in those conditions.

As I said once before, I'm having fun again.

Lee Powell · October 19th, 2015, 02:14 PM

While it's not a bug per se, I'm wondering why all user settings except White Balance are preset and grayed-out in the Camera Process menu when J-Log1 is selected. The Detail setting in particular, is one that I would prefer to control independently of the Gamma setting. I'd also find it useful to adjust the Color Gain control, as setting this to OFF would enable you to shoot monochrome video in J-Log1 mode.

October 2nd, 2015, 11:19 PM	#1
Rohan Dadswell Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 228	V2 bugs Still early days of playing with version 2 but two (related?) issues I've found. Histogram - does not show up on the SDI out. The audio levels disappear but the histogram doesn't appear. Spot meter - area boxes don't show up on the SDI out. The percentage numbers show up on the right hand side bit the boxes showing what is being metered aren't there. As I'm using the add on viewfinder with this cam this is a bit annoying - an update soon please JVC (if anyone from JVC reads this forum) __________________ Lighting Cameraman - www.rotahead.com.au Sony PMW-350, FS7, JVC LS300, BMPCC, BMPC, GH5 & a shed full of lights,dollies, jibs

October 3rd, 2015, 08:43 AM	#2
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	Re: V2 bugs Well, to be fair those aren't really bugs, they're more like oversights. I too use an external EVF exclusively and would like to see anything that's available to the LCD also available externally. I'm not so worried about the histogram or meter, since luckily I have the Gratical (and I don't even get how to use the JVC's histogram). But two that I would like are the B&W Focus Assist with color peaking (I think that's brilliant, unique and pretty much overlooked) and especially the in-camera LUT when shooting J-LOG1 - I'm pretty good at hitting exposure, but need all the help I can get focusing (tired old eyes). Also, since J-LOG1 has the "1" after it, does that mean there might be a J-LOG2 in the works? I hope so - not so much because I need or want it, but because I'd like to see JVC continue to support this camera and push it solidly into the competition to attract more adopters. That would be good for all of us. As for the SDI/HDMI output, I'm not sure that the features we've requested could be output via a firmware update, there might possibly be a circuit issue that would make it hardware related. Last edited by Steve Rosen; October 3rd, 2015 at 08:48 AM. Reason: Forgot to add

October 3rd, 2015, 10:37 AM	#3
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	Re: V2 bugs There IS a V2 "bug" that JVC has got to fix soon. I'm setting my highlights at 108%, and it shows 108% on the Gratical's histogram. But when I import into FCPX the highlights are clipped at 100%. I thought it might be FCPX, but my footage previous to the 2.0 upgrade still imports at 108%. Please, someone at JVC take heed of this and get it fixed. It's killing the potential of J-LOG.

October 3rd, 2015, 04:00 PM	#4
Rohan Dadswell Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 228	Re: V2 bugs Well I called it a bug as the audio meters disappear to make way for the histogram but it doesn't appear. We all different needs and ways of shooting - my viewfinder (Aphatron) has B&W Focus Assist with color peaking (& waveform) but it would be good to have it. But only when display to TV is selected - wouldn't want it to pop up is I was recording to external recorder or live feed. Will check out this 108% issue. __________________ Lighting Cameraman - www.rotahead.com.au Sony PMW-350, FS7, JVC LS300, BMPCC, BMPC, GH5 & a shed full of lights,dollies, jibs

October 4th, 2015, 08:52 AM	#5
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	Re: V2 bugs Yeah, if it appears on the LCD, it should be available externally, especially since, given the negative reviews of the camera's EVF and LCD, it makes sense that many will be using external monitoring of some sort. I'm not sure about the 108% in LOG. I'm not savvy enough to totally understand the dynamics of the image on the waveform in post, but there is a hard clip on the whites (however, the image does grade very nicely - and easily, which is a big deal for a documentarian that shoots lots of footage). I do know that it's clipping at 100% with the Cinema Gamma now. The footage I shot immediately prior to the upgrade is 108%, so something changed. Another thing - and I'm sure it's intentional and not a bug - is that auto exposure is disabled when shooting J-LOG1. I never use auto, so it's no big deal, but those who depend on it should be aware. Also if you switch back and forth between J-LOG and other gammas, the ISO presets change, and they're not "memorized", so you have to reset them - be aware of that too. I really liked the Cinema Gamma setting the way I had it set up, but after shooting J-LOG for several days and finding it so easy to grade, that will probably be my permanent setting now (BTW, it also seems to give about a half to three-quarters of a stop more sensitivity at any given ISO).

October 4th, 2015, 05:32 PM	#6
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	Re: V2 bugs Weird thing - been shooting J-Log for a couple of days... This afternoon, for the hell of it, I switched back to Cinema, to do a side-by-side test. And the highlights came in at 108%! I went back to the Cinema Gamma I shot Friday, and yes, it was and still is 100%. I can't figure this one out. BTW, I'm staying with J-Log - it yields very smooth, pleasing skin tones - I shoot people without lighting 90% of the time - and it's very easy to grade, even for clunkers like me.

October 5th, 2015, 04:57 AM	#7
Duncan Craig Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 660 Images: 10	Re: V2 bugs How are you working with J-Log, do you have a LUT, or simply grading it to make it look OK? Ignore me, I see this has been answered in the other thread. __________________ FCPX/LS300/EX1/FS100/GoPro/Vinten/HotHead/Jib/Track/Dedos/Lightstorm/Coollights Last edited by Duncan Craig; October 5th, 2015 at 05:00 AM. Reason: I'm an arse

October 6th, 2015, 05:44 PM	#9
Rohan Dadswell Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Australia Posts: 228	Re: V2 bugs Steve - not having any issue with highlights hitting 108%, still happening in Cinema & JLog. __________________ Lighting Cameraman - www.rotahead.com.au Sony PMW-350, FS7, JVC LS300, BMPCC, BMPC, GH5 & a shed full of lights,dollies, jibs

October 7th, 2015, 08:22 AM	#10
Steve Rosen Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterey, California Posts: 895	Re: V2 bugs I don't know what happened that first day when I upgraded, but the highlights are 108% for me now too. It's like the camera was tired from all the work I've been asking it to do and needed a little rest. Every day I use this thing, the more I like it. I went out last night with two prime lenses - the 17.5 Nokton and the 35mm Leica Summarit f2.8. I set the VSM at 92%, which caused minimal vignetting on the Nokton, just slightly in the bottom right corner. With the Prime Zoom I had the equivalent of approximately 14mm to 80mm with those two little lenses - and with the Nokton I could shoot in extremely low light. Even at 43% VSM the blacks held up nicely, very reminiscent of shooting film in those conditions. As I said once before, I'm having fun again.

October 19th, 2015, 02:14 PM	#11
Lee Powell Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 133	Re: V2 bugs While it's not a bug per se, I'm wondering why all user settings except White Balance are preset and grayed-out in the Camera Process menu when J-Log1 is selected. The Detail setting in particular, is one that I would prefer to control independently of the Gamma setting. I'd also find it useful to adjust the Color Gain control, as setting this to OFF would enable you to shoot monochrome video in J-Log1 mode.