Three new JVC 4K cameras

Jim Martin · March 12th, 2015, 12:53 PM

From what we can tell so far, 1600 is fine, 3200 starts to get some noise going but still very usable, and 6400 is too much...at this time. I'm in constant contact with the head of engineering and they are working on getting better above 1600 and will be adding noise reduction, all through updates that will come very soon. Again, the cameras ship the last week of this month which is a fair amount of time to do some tweaks to the system........

Jim Martin
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Noa Put · March 12th, 2015, 01:03 PM

Thx for the info and good to see JVC has interest in improving the performance. It was not my intention to come off as negative but I think that anyone that wants to buy a camera where there is little known about wants to know what's good about it but especially what's not so good about it so they can make a better decision before spending this amount of money. I think it's safe to say that currently those who where expecting canon c100 clean high iso's would be disappointed, not that this is something everyone needs but it's good to know what the limits of a camera are.

Scott Hayes · March 12th, 2015, 06:01 PM

wow. the low light with gain puts it into perspective for me. Looks like C100 MK II will be my purchase.

Tim Paynter · March 12th, 2015, 06:09 PM

I think you should split this thread three ways, as there is cross talk about two of the three JVC models, some responding to the LS 300 and others to the 200, both being compared to the x70. The 170 seems to have been almost forgotten, and certainly, there are people who are in that market, as well.

Also, for those intrepid camera guys, a four way line comparison between the x70 and the three JVC units, including price.

All of these cameras share 4k or 4k capable cameras, but I wonder how comparable a 1 inch sensor is to a 35 mil sensor.

Also, comparing the LS300 to anything makes almost no sense if we don't understand what lenses are being used with it.

Noa Put · March 13th, 2015, 03:07 AM

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Also, comparing the LS300 to anything makes almost no sense if we don't understand what lenses are being used with it.

When looking at high ISO performance it doesn't matter which lens or f-stop is used, the noise doesn"t change.

Jim Martin · March 13th, 2015, 09:45 AM

I wouldn't be too quick to judge based on that video which wasn't that great....again, pre-production models. I'd suggest to wait until the units ship.....from what we have shot at 1600 and 3200 ISO, the noise level was less than what this video showed.......

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

Jim Martin · March 16th, 2015, 01:16 PM

If you are in town (LA) this Weds, be sure to come on out to the debut seminar on the camera....and will be showing the footage we have shot over the last two weekends (in camera and to the Shogun)...here's the link:

JVC GY-LS300 4KCAM S35mm Camcorder Debut Event

Jim Martin

PS- We are also going to stream the seminar (on Ustream) and I'll have the link up as soon as I have it.

Ivan Hurtado · March 18th, 2015, 02:43 AM

Will you upload the video to Youtube or Vimeo, Jim?

I've found this one today and it shows that the LS300 will do well even at 24dB! Well, at least for my needs...

Michael Kraus · March 18th, 2015, 07:46 AM

Cool stuff. Sure does seem like it can swing ISO 1600 a lot better than another example I've seen. 3200 gets a little soft but still not bad. I'd put this ISO performance about on par with the GH4 based on this example.

Scott Hayes · March 18th, 2015, 09:29 AM

it looks decent up to 6400, still on my radar, especially for the price.

Jim Martin · March 18th, 2015, 10:39 AM

We are going to stream the event today at 1pm PDT........here is the link:
JVC Carl H on USTREAM: JVC GY-HM650 camera streaming live via Verizon 4G LTE modem. 720p stream via Cloud Server powered by Zixi. This demo is provided by ...

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

Paul Anderegg · March 18th, 2015, 08:24 PM

According to JVC's website, the HM200 has "f5.6 sensitivity". What does that mean, f5.6@2000?

Also, the HM200 lens is listed as f1.2-f3.5. If taken at face, that means that if you zoom in from wide angle, you must add 18db to retain your image brightness. If the lens ramping is similar to the X70 and others, you will have to add that 18db by around 6x into the zoom range.

If it is f5.6@2000, and f3.5 at medium zoom, then this would be the equivalent of an old 1987 Sony BVP5 (first Gen 3CCD camera), with the lens stopped down to f4-f4.5! Not good at all in low light.

JVC, can you confirm those specs for us? Loosing 3 full stops by zooming in is pretty massive.

Paul

Bill Bruner · March 19th, 2015, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Martin

We are going to stream the event today at 1pm PDT........here is the link:
JVC Carl H on USTREAM: JVC GY-HM650 camera streaming live via Verizon 4G LTE modem. 720p stream via Cloud Server powered by Zixi. This demo is provided by ...

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

Any chance of a replay, Jim? Pix/video/and or a recap on your blog or social media pages? I missed it.

Thanks,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Chris Hurd · March 20th, 2015, 07:55 AM

Jim -- this is good idea from Bill, above. I would be happy to host it right here on DVi.

John Nantz · March 20th, 2015, 10:42 AM

Bill - same here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Bruner

Any chance of a replay, Jim? Pix/video/and or a recap on your blog or social media pages? I missed it.
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Had it on my list of things to do and still didn't get to watch it. Busy day. So "a second on this" request.

One area I'm interested in is the image stabilization. The JVC web site JVC Pro Product Overview Page didn't mention this but elsewhere I read that there is IS.

"The devil is in the details"

March 12th, 2015, 12:53 PM	#61
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras From what we can tell so far, 1600 is fine, 3200 starts to get some noise going but still very usable, and 6400 is too much...at this time. I'm in constant contact with the head of engineering and they are working on getting better above 1600 and will be adding noise reduction, all through updates that will come very soon. Again, the cameras ship the last week of this month which is a fair amount of time to do some tweaks to the system........ Jim Martin EVSonline.com

March 12th, 2015, 01:03 PM	#62
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras Thx for the info and good to see JVC has interest in improving the performance. It was not my intention to come off as negative but I think that anyone that wants to buy a camera where there is little known about wants to know what's good about it but especially what's not so good about it so they can make a better decision before spending this amount of money. I think it's safe to say that currently those who where expecting canon c100 clean high iso's would be disappointed, not that this is something everyone needs but it's good to know what the limits of a camera are.

March 12th, 2015, 06:01 PM	#63
Scott Hayes Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 692	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras wow. the low light with gain puts it into perspective for me. Looks like C100 MK II will be my purchase.

March 12th, 2015, 06:09 PM	#64
Tim Paynter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Denver Posts: 255	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras I think you should split this thread three ways, as there is cross talk about two of the three JVC models, some responding to the LS 300 and others to the 200, both being compared to the x70. The 170 seems to have been almost forgotten, and certainly, there are people who are in that market, as well. Also, for those intrepid camera guys, a four way line comparison between the x70 and the three JVC units, including price. All of these cameras share 4k or 4k capable cameras, but I wonder how comparable a 1 inch sensor is to a 35 mil sensor. Also, comparing the LS300 to anything makes almost no sense if we don't understand what lenses are being used with it.

March 13th, 2015, 09:45 AM	#66
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras I wouldn't be too quick to judge based on that video which wasn't that great....again, pre-production models. I'd suggest to wait until the units ship.....from what we have shot at 1600 and 3200 ISO, the noise level was less than what this video showed....... Jim Martin EVSonline.com

March 16th, 2015, 01:16 PM	#67
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras If you are in town (LA) this Weds, be sure to come on out to the debut seminar on the camera....and will be showing the footage we have shot over the last two weekends (in camera and to the Shogun)...here's the link: JVC GY-LS300 4KCAM S35mm Camcorder Debut Event Jim Martin PS- We are also going to stream the seminar (on Ustream) and I'll have the link up as soon as I have it.

March 18th, 2015, 02:43 AM	#68
Ivan Hurtado Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Granada, Spain Posts: 75	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras Will you upload the video to Youtube or Vimeo, Jim? I've found this one today and it shows that the LS300 will do well even at 24dB! Well, at least for my needs... JVC GY-LS300 : Gamma, VSM, ISO Test - YouTube __________________ IvI

March 18th, 2015, 07:46 AM	#69
Michael Kraus Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 232	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras Cool stuff. Sure does seem like it can swing ISO 1600 a lot better than another example I've seen. 3200 gets a little soft but still not bad. I'd put this ISO performance about on par with the GH4 based on this example.

March 18th, 2015, 09:29 AM	#70
Scott Hayes Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 692	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras it looks decent up to 6400, still on my radar, especially for the price.

March 18th, 2015, 10:39 AM	#71
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras We are going to stream the event today at 1pm PDT........here is the link: JVC Carl H on USTREAM: JVC GY-HM650 camera streaming live via Verizon 4G LTE modem. 720p stream via Cloud Server powered by Zixi. This demo is provided by ... Jim Martin EVSonline.com

March 18th, 2015, 08:24 PM	#72
Paul Anderegg Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: San Diego, Califonia Posts: 1,559	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras According to JVC's website, the HM200 has "f5.6 sensitivity". What does that mean, f5.6@2000? Also, the HM200 lens is listed as f1.2-f3.5. If taken at face, that means that if you zoom in from wide angle, you must add 18db to retain your image brightness. If the lens ramping is similar to the X70 and others, you will have to add that 18db by around 6x into the zoom range. If it is f5.6@2000, and f3.5 at medium zoom, then this would be the equivalent of an old 1987 Sony BVP5 (first Gen 3CCD camera), with the lens stopped down to f4-f4.5! Not good at all in low light. JVC, can you confirm those specs for us? Loosing 3 full stops by zooming in is pretty massive. Paul

March 20th, 2015, 07:55 AM	#74
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Re: Three new JVC 4K cameras Jim -- this is good idea from Bill, above. I would be happy to host it right here on DVi. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!