JVC 4K Camcorder Announced

Bart Walczak · January 12th, 2012, 03:18 AM

It's an interesting camera, I'm really curious about what kind of picture it delivers.

I don't want to nitpick, but recording to 4 separate SD cards gives you 4 times as much chance that something will go wrong with your material, and I doubt that archiving and post workflows will be very happy about it as well. And it's 4 streams worth of AVCHD - one will have to have a pretty powerful workstation to edit this kind of footage with decent performance.

I also hope that the JVC app for stitching the files together does not introduce more compression than there already is.

Jack Zhang · January 12th, 2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bart Walczak

I don't want to nitpick, but recording to 4 separate SD cards gives you 4 times as much chance that something will go wrong with your material, and I doubt that archiving and post workflows will be very happy about it as well. And it's 4 streams worth of AVCHD - one will have to have a pretty powerful workstation to edit this kind of footage with decent performance.

I also hope that the JVC app for stitching the files together does not introduce more compression than there already is.

My thoughts exactly. Still not a fan of using AVCHD to compress stuff. Near-lossless codecs are where 4K really shines. And parallel recording to 4 cards would be a nightmare for logging and binning.

Allan Black · January 13th, 2012, 04:55 AM

Craig Yanagi from JVC is a very pleasant guy, tho here he seems to be only 5 mins ahead of us :)

ProPhoto Coalition.com: VIDEO: Dan Carr | Founder | Photo Gear & Adventure

Interesting to see a view of the right hand side of the cam and that you can remove the complete external 48V mic fittings and handle.

Cheers.

Craig Yanagi · January 13th, 2012, 04:15 PM

I'll take that as a compliment, Allan.

Allan Black · January 13th, 2012, 05:08 PM

Sir :) Those are some really nice new cameras you've got there and enormous interest is being generated around the web. We're all looking forward to seeing some pictures.

Do you have any news on release dates down under and was your production affected by the Tsunami last year? Thanks.

Cheers.

Eric Stemen · January 14th, 2012, 11:01 AM

Thanks for sharing that information Craig!
Also thank you for linking to that video Allan.

Exciting things ahead.

Glen Vandermolen · January 14th, 2012, 03:10 PM

The HMQ10 shares the same size sensor as the consumer JVC PX10 and the Everio GX1, HM550, HM1S, HM960 and HM860.
I wonder if all the new JVC cams use the FALCONBRID processor?

edit - i think only the new EX/V/VX/GX and PX cameras have the new processor. Most can do 300fps shooting.

Ozzy Alvarez · January 15th, 2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buba Kastorski

c'mon Sony, give us something !

I have a feeling if Sony announces anything like this, it'll probably be at NAB 2012. I could be wrong. Just my guess.

Ronan Fournier · January 20th, 2012, 12:11 PM

Since it will be possible to shoot in Full HD (1920x1080) by cropping 2x on the sensor, do you think that means it could be used as an HD camcorder with a 85mm-850mm zoom ? (42,5mm-425mm x 2)
If I'm right, that may be interesting for Wildlife…

Michael Kraus · January 20th, 2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronan Fournier

Since it will be possible to shoot in Full HD (1920x1080) by cropping 2x on the sensor, do you think that means it could be used as an HD camcorder with a 85mm-850mm zoom ? (42,5mm-425mm x 2)
If I'm right, that may be interesting for Wildlife…

When cropping 2x it's going to become critical that the lens be rather flawless. I guess we'll see how useful this feature is once the camera comes out or more footage is available.

Alan Green · January 24th, 2012, 12:12 PM

Nice video on youtube about the JVC 4K Camcorder:

JVC GY-HMQ10 4K Camcorder | 4KCam at CES 2012 - YouTube
Records to 4 SD cards.

Glen Vandermolen · January 24th, 2012, 08:22 PM

I'm looking at all the stats and watching all the videos - does this camera have ND filters?

Glen Vandermolen · January 27th, 2012, 08:44 PM

Here are some detailed pics of the HMQ10 and the prototype Nikon mount version:

JVC GY-HMQ10 Hands-On Review

Troy Lamont · February 8th, 2012, 06:21 PM

What's interesting about the camcorder was the decision to go with 4 HDMI 1.3a adapters to output the 4K signal, HDMI 1.4a supports 4K output with a single cable. From my research, there are only a handful of 4K monitors that have 4 HDMI inputs available, but far more 4K monitors/projectors that can do 4K over HDMI 1.4a, so the output they chose limits your display device options.

People are curiously wondering why they would shoot in 4K res now when I always was under the impression to shoot as high a resolution as you can now and you can alwasy downsample and output to a lower resolution later. Start high, work down, plus you are a step ahead of the curve when 4K is more mainstream.

Brian Drysdale · February 9th, 2012, 02:38 AM

There are a number of factors that add up to great images, shooting and recording at 4k resolution is just one, you'd also be interested in dynamic range, how good the skin tones are, how well it handles rolling shutter and other artefacts.

Quite apart those considerations, you'll have to consider how practical the camera is in the rough and tumble of making a film.

January 12th, 2012, 03:18 AM	#31
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced It's an interesting camera, I'm really curious about what kind of picture it delivers. I don't want to nitpick, but recording to 4 separate SD cards gives you 4 times as much chance that something will go wrong with your material, and I doubt that archiving and post workflows will be very happy about it as well. And it's 4 streams worth of AVCHD - one will have to have a pretty powerful workstation to edit this kind of footage with decent performance. I also hope that the JVC app for stitching the files together does not introduce more compression than there already is. __________________ Creative Impatience - The Solace of Simple Solutions. A few useful plugins for Adobe users, and my remarks on the tools and the craft in general.

January 13th, 2012, 04:55 AM	#33
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,937	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced Craig Yanagi from JVC is a very pleasant guy, tho here he seems to be only 5 mins ahead of us :) ProPhoto Coalition.com: VIDEO: Dan Carr \| Founder \| Photo Gear & Adventure Interesting to see a view of the right hand side of the cam and that you can remove the complete external 48V mic fittings and handle. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

January 13th, 2012, 04:15 PM	#34
Craig Yanagi JVC America Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wayne, New Jersey Posts: 198	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced I'll take that as a compliment, Allan. __________________ Craig Yanagi - National Marketing Manager JVC Professional Video Division, JVCKENWOOD USA Corp.

January 13th, 2012, 05:08 PM	#35
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,937	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced Sir :) Those are some really nice new cameras you've got there and enormous interest is being generated around the web. We're all looking forward to seeing some pictures. Do you have any news on release dates down under and was your production affected by the Tsunami last year? Thanks. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

January 14th, 2012, 11:01 AM	#36
Eric Stemen Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 378	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced Thanks for sharing that information Craig! Also thank you for linking to that video Allan. Exciting things ahead.

January 14th, 2012, 03:10 PM	#37
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced The HMQ10 shares the same size sensor as the consumer JVC PX10 and the Everio GX1, HM550, HM1S, HM960 and HM860. I wonder if all the new JVC cams use the FALCONBRID processor? edit - i think only the new EX/V/VX/GX and PX cameras have the new processor. Most can do 300fps shooting.

January 20th, 2012, 12:11 PM	#39
Ronan Fournier Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris, France Posts: 201	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced Since it will be possible to shoot in Full HD (1920x1080) by cropping 2x on the sensor, do you think that means it could be used as an HD camcorder with a 85mm-850mm zoom ? (42,5mm-425mm x 2) If I'm right, that may be interesting for Wildlife… __________________ http://www.songesdemoai.com/

January 24th, 2012, 12:12 PM	#41
Alan Green New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 8	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced Nice video on youtube about the JVC 4K Camcorder: JVC GY-HMQ10 4K Camcorder \| 4KCam at CES 2012 - YouTube Records to 4 SD cards.

January 24th, 2012, 08:22 PM	#42
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced I'm looking at all the stats and watching all the videos - does this camera have ND filters?

January 27th, 2012, 08:44 PM	#43
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced Here are some detailed pics of the HMQ10 and the prototype Nikon mount version: JVC GY-HMQ10 Hands-On Review

February 8th, 2012, 06:21 PM	#44
Troy Lamont Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Studio City, CA Posts: 236	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced What's interesting about the camcorder was the decision to go with 4 HDMI 1.3a adapters to output the 4K signal, HDMI 1.4a supports 4K output with a single cable. From my research, there are only a handful of 4K monitors that have 4 HDMI inputs available, but far more 4K monitors/projectors that can do 4K over HDMI 1.4a, so the output they chose limits your display device options. People are curiously wondering why they would shoot in 4K res now when I always was under the impression to shoot as high a resolution as you can now and you can alwasy downsample and output to a lower resolution later. Start high, work down, plus you are a step ahead of the curve when 4K is more mainstream.

February 9th, 2012, 02:38 AM	#45
Brian Drysdale Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 6,152	Re: JVC 4K Camcorder Announced There are a number of factors that add up to great images, shooting and recording at 4k resolution is just one, you'd also be interested in dynamic range, how good the skin tones are, how well it handles rolling shutter and other artefacts. Quite apart those considerations, you'll have to consider how practical the camera is in the rough and tumble of making a film.