Cobra Crane for EX-1? at DVinfo.net

Arthur Hancock · January 28th, 2009, 05:19 PM

I'm looking at the Cobra Crane I kit for my EX-1. Is anyone familiar with it? It will hold up to 6.5 pounds. I intend to use the EX and original battery only to keep the weight down.

http://www.cobracraneusa.com/cobracr...lete-kits.html

This will be my first crane. Are they easy to use or is it a process like learning Steadycam?

Any feedback/tips/options appreciated!

Greg Chisholm · January 28th, 2009, 08:55 PM

It will be more like learning to use a tripod properly... executing compound moves with a tripod... tracking a subject while tilting, panning and zooming all at the same time. The steadicam is a much greater learning curve, in my opinion.

Also, a multitude of different shot possibilities with a jib.

Greg

Bill Heslip · January 28th, 2009, 10:47 PM

I'm also intrigued with the idea of purchasing this crane. A representative from Cobra assured me I would be happy with it flying an EX1.

What bothers me is the single tube design. Resting at the upper limit of weight spec, the EX1 could tend to wobble and torque due to center offset. At least that's what I read somewhere (never used a jib before), but it makes sense. Feathering a start/stop could be tricky as well, judging from the demo footage shot flying a PD-170.

I would be very interested as well to hear from someone who's used the unit. Ease of setup and functionality with the EX1 or similar would be great feedback.

Craig Seeman · January 28th, 2009, 11:45 PM

I found Kessler Crane a good design and price and I think they're a DVInfo advertiser too.

Kessler Crane® - Quality Professional Camera Cranes, Camera Jib & Camera Support Products - Crane Kits

Marc Myers · January 29th, 2009, 02:18 PM

I have mounted one of my EX1's on an EZFZ jib. The jib works great. Very stable. Controlling the EX1 on an armature is another thing. Complicated moves are difficult because there's relatively few controls available remotely. Using the swing out monitor is not an option for some camera moves.

Brian Luce · January 29th, 2009, 05:18 PM

It says that it's rated to 6.5lbs? That's puny. An EX3 wieghs 7.5lbs. An EX1 with a few goodies like big battery etc might easily exceed that payload. Most of the jibs I've worked around are always overloaded and it's no fun.

Paul Inglis · January 29th, 2009, 05:24 PM

It looks much like the HAGUE HDV BOOM K8 with TILT CONTROL that I’ve just gotten for my EX-3 (It’ll hold a maximum of 4kgs – so I need to be careful about adding any accessories!!!).

So far I love it and it gives me no problems!!!

The only thing I’ll say is that the…;

LNC-50 LANC Controller
12' LANC Extension cable

…won’t fit!!! You’ll need either the Varizoom or Bebob EX extension cable and a Bebob, Varizoom, Manfrotto or the like EX controller!!!

Other than that – if you’re careful it should be fine!

Dean Sensui · January 29th, 2009, 06:33 PM

A few years ago at NAB I played with what looked like an easily transported jib.

Advanta-Jib

I got the hang of it in about five minutes. The head was carrying a Canon XL1. It also provided tilt and pan independently of the jib.

The whole thing felt solid enough and the motion was very smooth. It all looked well-built, too.

Craig Seeman · January 29th, 2009, 08:10 PM

All the Kessler Cranes range from 20lb to 50lb capacity. It's one reason I posted it.
Their $489 5.5 Crane can handle up to 50lb
Their $699 8/12 Crane can handle up to 20lb.
An EX1 or EX3 well loaded won't even cause it to break a sweat.

Arthur Hancock · January 29th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Thanks very much for the posts. I'll investigate the products mentioned.

I'm going to be filming alligators in March from an elevated walkway. Is there a crane technique whereby I could lower the camera below tripod level to get it closer to the water? This may be a dumb question but as I said this is my first crane.

January 28th, 2009, 05:19 PM	#1
Arthur Hancock Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Highlands North Carolina Posts: 69	Cobra Crane for EX-1? I'm looking at the Cobra Crane I kit for my EX-1. Is anyone familiar with it? It will hold up to 6.5 pounds. I intend to use the EX and original battery only to keep the weight down. http://www.cobracraneusa.com/cobracr...lete-kits.html This will be my first crane. Are they easy to use or is it a process like learning Steadycam? Any feedback/tips/options appreciated!

January 28th, 2009, 08:55 PM	#2
Greg Chisholm Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Jersey City, NJ Posts: 244	learning curve It will be more like learning to use a tripod properly... executing compound moves with a tripod... tracking a subject while tilting, panning and zooming all at the same time. The steadicam is a much greater learning curve, in my opinion. Also, a multitude of different shot possibilities with a jib. Greg

January 28th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#4
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	Kessler Crane I found Kessler Crane a good design and price and I think they're a DVInfo advertiser too. Kessler Crane® - Quality Professional Camera Cranes, Camera Jib & Camera Support Products - Crane Kits

January 29th, 2009, 06:33 PM	#8
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	A few years ago at NAB I played with what looked like an easily transported jib. Advanta-Jib I got the hang of it in about five minutes. The head was carrying a Canon XL1. It also provided tilt and pan independently of the jib. The whole thing felt solid enough and the motion was very smooth. It all looked well-built, too. __________________ Dean Sensui Exec Producer, Hawaii Goes Fishing

January 28th, 2009, 10:47 PM	#3
Bill Heslip Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 129	I'm also intrigued with the idea of purchasing this crane. A representative from Cobra assured me I would be happy with it flying an EX1. What bothers me is the single tube design. Resting at the upper limit of weight spec, the EX1 could tend to wobble and torque due to center offset. At least that's what I read somewhere (never used a jib before), but it makes sense. Feathering a start/stop could be tricky as well, judging from the demo footage shot flying a PD-170. I would be very interested as well to hear from someone who's used the unit. Ease of setup and functionality with the EX1 or similar would be great feedback.

January 29th, 2009, 02:18 PM	#5
Marc Myers Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island, NY and Northeast PA Posts: 132	I have mounted one of my EX1's on an EZFZ jib. The jib works great. Very stable. Controlling the EX1 on an armature is another thing. Complicated moves are difficult because there's relatively few controls available remotely. Using the swing out monitor is not an option for some camera moves.

January 29th, 2009, 05:18 PM	#6
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	It says that it's rated to 6.5lbs? That's puny. An EX3 wieghs 7.5lbs. An EX1 with a few goodies like big battery etc might easily exceed that payload. Most of the jibs I've worked around are always overloaded and it's no fun.

January 29th, 2009, 05:24 PM	#7
Paul Inglis Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: British Isles Posts: 415	It looks much like the HAGUE HDV BOOM K8 with TILT CONTROL that I’ve just gotten for my EX-3 (It’ll hold a maximum of 4kgs – so I need to be careful about adding any accessories!!!). So far I love it and it gives me no problems!!! The only thing I’ll say is that the…; LNC-50 LANC Controller 12' LANC Extension cable …won’t fit!!! You’ll need either the Varizoom or Bebob EX extension cable and a Bebob, Varizoom, Manfrotto or the like EX controller!!! Other than that – if you’re careful it should be fine!

January 29th, 2009, 08:10 PM	#9
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	All the Kessler Cranes range from 20lb to 50lb capacity. It's one reason I posted it. Their $489 5.5 Crane can handle up to 50lb Their $699 8/12 Crane can handle up to 20lb. An EX1 or EX3 well loaded won't even cause it to break a sweat.

January 29th, 2009, 09:56 PM	#10
Arthur Hancock Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Highlands North Carolina Posts: 69	Thanks very much for the posts. I'll investigate the products mentioned. I'm going to be filming alligators in March from an elevated walkway. Is there a crane technique whereby I could lower the camera below tripod level to get it closer to the water? This may be a dumb question but as I said this is my first crane.