24p footage, edit with how many fps? at DVinfo.net

Jason Dourgarian · June 23rd, 2007, 03:42 PM

I am thinking about how I am going to edit some footage that has been shot in 24p on a Canon HV20. In vegas, I select 1080-24p and it says the framerate is 23.976. So, do I edit in 23.976 or should I change it to 24 frames per second?

Ervin Farkas · June 25th, 2007, 03:08 PM

The actual "24" is 23.976 fps... 24 is a rounded number. So go with whatever the preset gives you; it is correct.

Chris Barcellos · June 25th, 2007, 04:46 PM

Jason:

What part of Sac ?

With the HV20, you may get a wierd result in selecting 23.97 or 24p. Reason is that the 24p in the HV20 is in the 60i 1080i stream. You get a 24 fps feel. This has been discussed a length in the HV20 forum. So you should probably continue to edit and render in the 1080i HDV preset.

There has been some pressure put on Canon to offer a work around for this issue, but they haven't expressed any willingness to do that. The problem is that Canon did not put flags in the footage to allow the editors to "know" what frames stay, and which go, in a conversion to full blown 24p.

Cineform had NeoHDV available for $ 250.00 that will do the removal at capture, and allow you to edit in its intermediate codec ( which is better for other reasons too, they say). Again in the HV20 forum, there was a group that was doing a "free" workaround using various shareware programs, but the last I saw, there were some issues there.

Jason Dourgarian · June 26th, 2007, 07:08 AM

I'm from Rancho Cordova,

Anyway, I read extensively the whole pulldown process at the HV20 forum. It's kind of a pain but it works, so I'll do that.

I was just curious about the actual frame rate because I am going to be putting in some 3d elements onto my video timeline and I need to make sure I have the 3d clips set to the exact right frame rate.

Ian G. Thompson · June 26th, 2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

..... Again in the HV20 forum, there was a group that was doing a "free" workaround using various shareware programs, but the last I saw, there were some issues there.

FYI, There's no real issues. It does what is expected. I have been using this for the past month with perfect results.

June 23rd, 2007, 03:42 PM	#1
Jason Dourgarian Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 26	24p footage, edit with how many fps? I am thinking about how I am going to edit some footage that has been shot in 24p on a Canon HV20. In vegas, I select 1080-24p and it says the framerate is 23.976. So, do I edit in 23.976 or should I change it to 24 frames per second?

June 25th, 2007, 03:08 PM	#2
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	The actual "24" is 23.976 fps... 24 is a rounded number. So go with whatever the preset gives you; it is correct. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

June 25th, 2007, 04:46 PM	#3
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Jason: What part of Sac ? With the HV20, you may get a wierd result in selecting 23.97 or 24p. Reason is that the 24p in the HV20 is in the 60i 1080i stream. You get a 24 fps feel. This has been discussed a length in the HV20 forum. So you should probably continue to edit and render in the 1080i HDV preset. There has been some pressure put on Canon to offer a work around for this issue, but they haven't expressed any willingness to do that. The problem is that Canon did not put flags in the footage to allow the editors to "know" what frames stay, and which go, in a conversion to full blown 24p. Cineform had NeoHDV available for $ 250.00 that will do the removal at capture, and allow you to edit in its intermediate codec ( which is better for other reasons too, they say). Again in the HV20 forum, there was a group that was doing a "free" workaround using various shareware programs, but the last I saw, there were some issues there. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

June 26th, 2007, 07:08 AM	#4
Jason Dourgarian Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 26	I'm from Rancho Cordova, Anyway, I read extensively the whole pulldown process at the HV20 forum. It's kind of a pain but it works, so I'll do that. I was just curious about the actual frame rate because I am going to be putting in some 3d elements onto my video timeline and I need to make sure I have the 3d clips set to the exact right frame rate.