Strange HDV problem at DVinfo.net

Matthew Nayman · October 24th, 2006, 05:36 PM

Okay... here is how I am working..

Adobe Premiere 2.0 (native HD, not cineform yet)
Sony HVRM15U deck
32" Samsumg HDTV

In SD I can preview my work like this... Premiere>1394>Sony Deck>Component Out> HDTV

When I try in an HDV project, Premiere won't recognize my 1394 device...

Explinations?

Matt

Chris Barcellos · October 24th, 2006, 06:29 PM

It is my understanding that it won't do it, due to recompression factors. There are apparently real time preview cards available.

I do get a decent preview on my flat screen lcd monitor on which I run my PPro project monitor, but it definitely isn't everything...

Matthew Nayman · October 24th, 2006, 06:55 PM

Also ,I try to export a clip onto tape and it says it worked but when I play the tape back in my deck, I only get black... hmmm...

Chris Barcellos · October 24th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Matt:

By the way, if you have a dual output video card with a DVI or any type of second monitor output, you can output to the monitor. All you need to do is select the little triangle in the corner of the project monitor with a left click, go all the way to the bottom and select playback settings, and then select the 2 monitor (or whatever that monitor is designated in the windows setup) I checked the box that disables the monitor for windows use when Premiere is up.

As to the deck, is it rated for HDV ? If not, it would not be able to capture it. You would have to go directly into HDV camera.

Finally, at least from my experience, anything going out to tape has to be transcoded by Premiere before it outputs it.

Matthew Nayman · October 24th, 2006, 09:05 PM

yeah, its an HDV deck. However, Adobe doesnt recognize it. It is the Sony HVRM15U. It recognizes it for SD but not in an HD project... strange... Also, in my system manager it shows up under Imaging tools, not video, sound and gaming devices...

thoughts?

I am goignt o sue Cineform to edit, and I can always drop my 19" DVI monitor for the 32" TV through DVI-HDMI cable, but I want my two editing windows, and then a monitor! Any graphic cards out there with two DVI outs and a regualr PC out?

Chris Barcellos · October 24th, 2006, 09:17 PM

Matt check this out as an example of possibilities. If your system has AGP and PCI Express, or just a PCI slot video card. Can be done many ways on a desktop system:

http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon...ideo_cards.asp

Matthew Nayman · October 25th, 2006, 05:54 AM

Thanks man. Currently I have a Radeon 9800 Pro which supports one DVI one PC and one S-VIDEO output. Any leads on a good card which doesn't cost an arm and leg and has like 4 monitor outs (DVI, PC whatever)

Brent Graham · October 31st, 2006, 09:41 AM

why don't you use your DVI and PC for computer screens and then use the S-video out for your tv monitor?

Michael Y Wong · October 31st, 2006, 02:15 PM

A Few things to keep in mind:

Most of the consumer gaming cards that support Dual DVI or DVI+VGA, even if they also have component, composite. s-Video support usually limit playback to two output devices.

2 edit across 2 monitors, a simple ghetto approach would be to use an app such as ultranmon, where you can span applications across 2 display devices; providing the resolution and display sizes were the same, this could work.

October 24th, 2006, 05:36 PM	#1
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	Strange HDV problem Okay... here is how I am working.. Adobe Premiere 2.0 (native HD, not cineform yet) Sony HVRM15U deck 32" Samsumg HDTV In SD I can preview my work like this... Premiere>1394>Sony Deck>Component Out> HDTV When I try in an HDV project, Premiere won't recognize my 1394 device... Explinations? Matt

October 24th, 2006, 06:29 PM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	It is my understanding that it won't do it, due to recompression factors. There are apparently real time preview cards available. I do get a decent preview on my flat screen lcd monitor on which I run my PPro project monitor, but it definitely isn't everything... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

October 24th, 2006, 08:36 PM	#4
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Matt: By the way, if you have a dual output video card with a DVI or any type of second monitor output, you can output to the monitor. All you need to do is select the little triangle in the corner of the project monitor with a left click, go all the way to the bottom and select playback settings, and then select the 2 monitor (or whatever that monitor is designated in the windows setup) I checked the box that disables the monitor for windows use when Premiere is up. As to the deck, is it rated for HDV ? If not, it would not be able to capture it. You would have to go directly into HDV camera. Finally, at least from my experience, anything going out to tape has to be transcoded by Premiere before it outputs it. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

October 24th, 2006, 09:17 PM	#6
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Matt check this out as an example of possibilities. If your system has AGP and PCI Express, or just a PCI slot video card. Can be done many ways on a desktop system: http://www.realtimesoft.com/multimon...ideo_cards.asp __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

October 31st, 2006, 02:15 PM	#9
Michael Y Wong Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada! Posts: 353	A Few things to keep in mind: Most of the consumer gaming cards that support Dual DVI or DVI+VGA, even if they also have component, composite. s-Video support usually limit playback to two output devices. 2 edit across 2 monitors, a simple ghetto approach would be to use an app such as ultranmon, where you can span applications across 2 display devices; providing the resolution and display sizes were the same, this could work. __________________ dreaming hobbyist + storyteller www.michaelywong.com

October 24th, 2006, 06:55 PM	#3
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	Also ,I try to export a clip onto tape and it says it worked but when I play the tape back in my deck, I only get black... hmmm...

October 24th, 2006, 09:05 PM	#5
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	yeah, its an HDV deck. However, Adobe doesnt recognize it. It is the Sony HVRM15U. It recognizes it for SD but not in an HD project... strange... Also, in my system manager it shows up under Imaging tools, not video, sound and gaming devices... thoughts? I am goignt o sue Cineform to edit, and I can always drop my 19" DVI monitor for the 32" TV through DVI-HDMI cable, but I want my two editing windows, and then a monitor! Any graphic cards out there with two DVI outs and a regualr PC out?

October 25th, 2006, 05:54 AM	#7
Matthew Nayman Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 917	Thanks man. Currently I have a Radeon 9800 Pro which supports one DVI one PC and one S-VIDEO output. Any leads on a good card which doesn't cost an arm and leg and has like 4 monitor outs (DVI, PC whatever)

October 31st, 2006, 09:41 AM	#8
Brent Graham Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 222	why don't you use your DVI and PC for computer screens and then use the S-video out for your tv monitor?