Good graphic card for editing HD? at DVinfo.net

Rafael Lopes · September 18th, 2006, 04:07 AM

Hi,

I've been using an nvidia geforce 6600 LE with premiere pro 2.0 to edit HDV (form an FX1) and I'm not happy with it. When it optimizes the monitor and the TV performance everything looks WAY too dark. So, I'm thinking about selling this graphic card and buying a new one.

Any advices?

Glenn Chan · September 18th, 2006, 11:54 AM

For accurate monitoring, you should use firewire out to a TV or (better yet) a broadcast monitor.

This will avoid issues with interlacing, field order, Premiere not showing things right, pixel aspect ratio / resizing, video card overlays or weird video card settings, etc.

Rafael Lopes · September 19th, 2006, 03:24 PM

Ok, is there anyone who can advise me on a GOOD and FAST graphic card to work with premiere pro 2.0. I know I'm asking for much here, but I don't want to have to sell an organ to be able to buy it.

Adam Letch · September 19th, 2006, 04:59 PM

may not be of immense help to you, but have you checked the Adobe website for approved video cards? I know AVID does. I guess you may want to look at things like H264 acceleration in hardware etc

Ben Winter · September 19th, 2006, 05:30 PM

MATROX PARHELIA APVe!

I usually don't capitalize with such fervor but I love this card with a passion. If your interest is editing, it's better to have a card that's designed for it in the first place. NVidia is for gaming. Recommended by Cineform, compatible with Adobe, displays three monitors (or two monitors and an SD/HDTV) at once, even suitable for the latest games! Killer. Just killer.

It's around $350 street.

Search ebay, you'll get some results as low as $320.

Rafael Lopes · September 20th, 2006, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Winter

MATROX PARHELIA APVe!

I usually don't capitalize with such fervor but I love this card with a passion. If your interest is editing, it's better to have a card that's designed for it in the first place. NVidia is for gaming. Recommended by Cineform, compatible with Adobe, displays three monitors (or two monitors and an SD/HDTV) at once, even suitable for the latest games! Killer. Just killer.

It's around $350 street.

Search ebay, you'll get some results as low as $320.

THAT is what I wanted to hear! I've searched the web and askeed around but I never got the answer I wanted to hear "if you need a good graphic card for video editing which one is the one". Thanks, Ben!

Rafael Lopes · September 20th, 2006, 12:44 AM

I was checking on the MATROX PARHELIA APVe (289€) and it really sounds like a winner. I also checked the more expensive Parhelia PCI 256MB (509€). Do you think it's worth the extra $?

Ken Hodson · September 26th, 2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Winter

even suitable for the latest games! Killer. Just killer.

I agree with everything you say, except for that last quote. I don't know what you consider the "latest games" but this card is not in that league. It will play some older titles well, and can do some of the classics in surround (3 screen) but it no way is it currently competitive as far a 3d gaming. Not close.

Gary Bettan · September 26th, 2006, 12:23 PM

Matrox cards do not have good OpenGL. This effects many video editing programs and most new games. We no longer recommned them to our customers.

I just posted a new article on our site that I think you will find helpful:
DIY–GPU: Picking the right graphics card for your NLE workstation
http://www.videoguys.com/DIY-GPU.html

Gary

Rafael Lopes · September 30th, 2006, 01:37 AM

I read your article, Garry, and it really helped me a lot. Not the problem is that you advise one graphic card to premiere and another one to magic bullet users...and I use both. Would magic bullet's perfomance increase a lot by using the FX1500 has over the FX560?

Gary Bettan · September 30th, 2006, 06:59 AM

rafeal - good point about the article. I'm going to have to explain this better. How's this:

While the 560 will get the job done for P Pro, the FX1500 is the better card. It's just a bit of overkill for P Pro users. If you also use plug-ins that have Open GL support (Magic Bullet, Borix FX) or you're using After Effects, then you want to go for the FX1500 or higher. The added performance of these cards will make your use of these programs more productive.

FX560 = good for Premiere Pro
FX1500 = Good for Premeier Pro and better for AE/Boris/Magic Bullett
FX3450/3500 = worth the added investment for power After Effects users.

Gary

Rafael Lopes · September 30th, 2006, 07:30 AM

Thanks a bunch, Gary. I might be visiting you online store very soon ;-)

Maat Vansloot · September 30th, 2006, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Bettan

I just posted a new article on our site that I think you will find helpful:
DIY–GPU: Picking the right graphics card for your NLE workstation
http://www.videoguys.com/DIY-GPU.html

Gary

Maybe I just missed it but there didn't seem to be any advice for FCP users. Do you guys deal with FCP at all?

Gary Bettan · September 30th, 2006, 09:14 PM

we do a little FCP. We're not nearly as hardware savy w/ Mac as PCs. I will be adding a section on for FCP users down the road.

Gary

Giroud Francois · October 1st, 2006, 04:56 AM

i do not really see the point to change a card just because the picture looks too dark.
Yes, nvidia has a problem with overlay that displays considerably different.
It is really annoying when you work into premiere with a still image with a particular contrast/luminosity on the monitor, and when you preview, it switches to another contrast/luminosity setting.
But a simple trip to the control panel of the nvidia card can fix this.
I see no reason to change a card for this reason only, especially if the new card could show the same problem.

September 18th, 2006, 04:07 AM	#1
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,240	Good graphic card for editing HD? Hi, I've been using an nvidia geforce 6600 LE with premiere pro 2.0 to edit HDV (form an FX1) and I'm not happy with it. When it optimizes the monitor and the TV performance everything looks WAY too dark. So, I'm thinking about selling this graphic card and buying a new one. Any advices?

September 19th, 2006, 04:59 PM	#4
Adam Letch Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 414	which card? may not be of immense help to you, but have you checked the Adobe website for approved video cards? I know AVID does. I guess you may want to look at things like H264 acceleration in hardware etc

September 19th, 2006, 05:30 PM	#5
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	MATROX PARHELIA APVe! I usually don't capitalize with such fervor but I love this card with a passion. If your interest is editing, it's better to have a card that's designed for it in the first place. NVidia is for gaming. Recommended by Cineform, compatible with Adobe, displays three monitors (or two monitors and an SD/HDTV) at once, even suitable for the latest games! Killer. Just killer. It's around $350 street. Search ebay, you'll get some results as low as $320. __________________ BenWinter.com

September 26th, 2006, 12:23 PM	#9
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 758	Matrox cards do not have good OpenGL. This effects many video editing programs and most new games. We no longer recommned them to our customers. I just posted a new article on our site that I think you will find helpful: DIY–GPU: Picking the right graphics card for your NLE workstation http://www.videoguys.com/DIY-GPU.html Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

September 30th, 2006, 06:59 AM	#11
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 758	rafeal - good point about the article. I'm going to have to explain this better. How's this: While the 560 will get the job done for P Pro, the FX1500 is the better card. It's just a bit of overkill for P Pro users. If you also use plug-ins that have Open GL support (Magic Bullet, Borix FX) or you're using After Effects, then you want to go for the FX1500 or higher. The added performance of these cards will make your use of these programs more productive. FX560 = good for Premiere Pro FX1500 = Good for Premeier Pro and better for AE/Boris/Magic Bullett FX3450/3500 = worth the added investment for power After Effects users. Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

September 18th, 2006, 11:54 AM	#2
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	For accurate monitoring, you should use firewire out to a TV or (better yet) a broadcast monitor. This will avoid issues with interlacing, field order, Premiere not showing things right, pixel aspect ratio / resizing, video card overlays or weird video card settings, etc.

September 19th, 2006, 03:24 PM	#3
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,240	Ok, is there anyone who can advise me on a GOOD and FAST graphic card to work with premiere pro 2.0. I know I'm asking for much here, but I don't want to have to sell an organ to be able to buy it.

September 20th, 2006, 12:44 AM	#7
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,240	I was checking on the MATROX PARHELIA APVe (289€) and it really sounds like a winner. I also checked the more expensive Parhelia PCI 256MB (509€). Do you think it's worth the extra $?

September 30th, 2006, 01:37 AM	#10
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,240	I read your article, Garry, and it really helped me a lot. Not the problem is that you advise one graphic card to premiere and another one to magic bullet users...and I use both. Would magic bullet's perfomance increase a lot by using the FX1500 has over the FX560?

September 30th, 2006, 07:30 AM	#12
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,240	Thanks a bunch, Gary. I might be visiting you online store very soon ;-)

September 30th, 2006, 09:14 PM	#14
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 758	we do a little FCP. We're not nearly as hardware savy w/ Mac as PCs. I will be adding a section on for FCP users down the road. Gary __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

October 1st, 2006, 04:56 AM	#15
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	i do not really see the point to change a card just because the picture looks too dark. Yes, nvidia has a problem with overlay that displays considerably different. It is really annoying when you work into premiere with a still image with a particular contrast/luminosity on the monitor, and when you preview, it switches to another contrast/luminosity setting. But a simple trip to the control panel of the nvidia card can fix this. I see no reason to change a card for this reason only, especially if the new card could show the same problem.