Z1 workflow (shooting 50i) for 24p ntsc at DVinfo.net

Ron German · January 21st, 2006, 10:40 AM

Hello
I live in a ntsc country (Brasil) and I´ve been searching for a camera to buy for general work, but it should produce nice pictures / sound and easy workflow for filmout - I use Vegas 5 (may upgrade to 6). It would be important the camera to be 24p and native 16X9.
I´ve been considering XL2 and HVX 200. But now I started thinking in Z1 because some purchase and maintenance facilities, and less noisy signal, despite it doesn´t have progressive CCDs. How you compare these options?
With Z1, what should be the best way of shooting (50i?) and easiest editing workflow for a NTSC 24p final product?
Thank you for your attention.
Ron

Heath McKnight · January 21st, 2006, 11:42 AM

You can always de-interlace and slow it down by 4% on your NLE timeline. Make sure you de-interlace first.

heath

Glenn Chan · January 21st, 2006, 12:24 PM

Mike crash has a good deinterlace filter.

see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/archive/i...p/t-52097.html for settings that work well for me.

You would need to watch out for the resampling settings on the way in. The audio will need to be pitch shifted too... I forget which version of vegas improved those algorithms.

John Benton · January 21st, 2006, 02:44 PM

Ron,
I am in a similar situation - I have been waiting for the HVX for awhile , but I am beginning to feel like it the Res and the noise are big enough issues for me to want to wait and spen 7k.
I may get an FX1 (I have an sLr box for sound) for half thet (3k) to tied me over.

I hate digitizing so what I may want to do is a lot of direct capture - I work with Final cut and may have to mimic the 24 p

- or work with LumierHD
- or Magic Bullet
- or DV filmaker Pro

Have people had experience with these?
What is the difference between them?

Thanks,
J

Heath McKnight · January 21st, 2006, 02:53 PM

I like Nattress best, www.nattress.com or just shoot in 50i if you can (Z1 or FX1e), de-interlace and slow down 4% or conform in Cinema Tools (that's a Final Cut Pro app), as described above.

I don't know if Lumiere HD does 24p, though it does support the HD100's 24p footage. Isn't Magic Bullet PC only, or am I wrong?

heath

John Hewat · January 21st, 2006, 11:17 PM

Is the de-interlace function in Premiere Pro good enough? Or does it leave something to be desired?

January 29th, 2006, 03:58 AM

See this article: http://www.dv.com/news/news_item.jht...leId=174900673

...and you discover some thoughts about de-interlace and related info.

If you aren't dv.com member, you must to register but it's a very quick process and they have great resources! So go ahead!

January 21st, 2006, 10:40 AM	#1
Ron German Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 304	Z1 workflow (shooting 50i) for 24p ntsc Hello I live in a ntsc country (Brasil) and I´ve been searching for a camera to buy for general work, but it should produce nice pictures / sound and easy workflow for filmout - I use Vegas 5 (may upgrade to 6). It would be important the camera to be 24p and native 16X9. I´ve been considering XL2 and HVX 200. But now I started thinking in Z1 because some purchase and maintenance facilities, and less noisy signal, despite it doesn´t have progressive CCDs. How you compare these options? With Z1, what should be the best way of shooting (50i?) and easiest editing workflow for a NTSC 24p final product? Thank you for your attention. Ron

January 21st, 2006, 11:42 AM	#2
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	You can always de-interlace and slow it down by 4% on your NLE timeline. Make sure you de-interlace first. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 21st, 2006, 02:53 PM	#5
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I like Nattress best, www.nattress.com or just shoot in 50i if you can (Z1 or FX1e), de-interlace and slow down 4% or conform in Cinema Tools (that's a Final Cut Pro app), as described above. I don't know if Lumiere HD does 24p, though it does support the HD100's 24p footage. Isn't Magic Bullet PC only, or am I wrong? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

January 21st, 2006, 12:24 PM	#3
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Mike crash has a good deinterlace filter. see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/archive/i...p/t-52097.html for settings that work well for me. You would need to watch out for the resampling settings on the way in. The audio will need to be pitch shifted too... I forget which version of vegas improved those algorithms.

January 21st, 2006, 02:44 PM	#4
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Ron, I am in a similar situation - I have been waiting for the HVX for awhile , but I am beginning to feel like it the Res and the noise are big enough issues for me to want to wait and spen 7k. I may get an FX1 (I have an sLr box for sound) for half thet (3k) to tied me over. I hate digitizing so what I may want to do is a lot of direct capture - I work with Final cut and may have to mimic the 24 p - or work with LumierHD - or Magic Bullet - or DV filmaker Pro Have people had experience with these? What is the difference between them? Thanks, J

January 21st, 2006, 11:17 PM	#6
John Hewat Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, AUSTRALIA Posts: 735	Is the de-interlace function in Premiere Pro good enough? Or does it leave something to be desired?

January 29th, 2006, 03:58 AM	#7
Guest Posts: n/a	See this article: http://www.dv.com/news/news_item.jht...leId=174900673 ...and you discover some thoughts about de-interlace and related info. If you aren't dv.com member, you must to register but it's a very quick process and they have great resources! So go ahead!