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Gary Harper · November 5th, 2005, 06:45 PM

What is the best configuration for monitoring with the Adobe Premier Pro interface?
2ea. 19" LCD monitors or 1ea 23" LCD monitor.
Also, is there any advantage in using a widescreen monitor over a 3:4 Screen?
How different is the colorspace of An HDTV image as compared to a standard def. NTSC image as viewed on the same LCD television?
Can any Mfgr. LCD computer monitor (Wide Screen) be set up to be used as a preview monitor or should one stick with a "Television" for previewing?
Thanks

Sean McHenry · November 11th, 2005, 03:28 PM

I run Avid but used to go with Premiere Pro. Seems to me under either of these the best solution for me is two 19" matching monitors and a seperate NTSC video monitor or at least a television with 16:9 cpability.

Use a dual nvidia card for the PC monitors and run a firewire cable to your deck or camera and run analog video and audio from the deck/camera to the video monitor so you can have real time previews of the actual video.

That's how I do it with Avid.

Sean McHenry

Susana Caula · November 24th, 2005, 09:17 AM

I will have a dual Nvidia card, but I don't have a camera or deck.
How will I preview?
Susana

Sean McHenry · November 28th, 2005, 12:42 PM

If you are shooting standard DV formats, you can buy a Canopus or other device that will take your firewire output from your editing system and convert it to standard def. video and audio. You can then watch that on a regular monitor/tv with A/V inputs.

Sean

Carlos Rodriguez · November 30th, 2005, 02:21 PM

can hdv be previewed out through firewire? I thought it couldn't... I've got the hdmh30k deck for hdv, and if I can preview out through firewire to that into a connected hd monitor then I'm set. by the way I'm using the adobe hdv plugin with 1.5.1. Will this work?

Steven Gotz · November 30th, 2005, 02:48 PM

No, no, no!

HDV can not be sent out the firewire for monitoring purposes from Premiere Pro.

The Nvidia Quadro FX-540 or the Matrox Parhelia APVe graphics cards both have component outputs that will do the job though.

Sean McHenry · November 30th, 2005, 09:40 PM

As far as I know, the only system that can do this is Avid Xpress ProHD with a Mojo. This is because the Avid software takes over the 1394 channel and sends a unique data over the connection to the Mojo. The Mojo is programmed to understand this info flow and convert to (nearly) realtime SD which you can then connect to a real monitor.

There is a special drop-down menu setting for sending HDV out through the Mojo.

Why is this? It is my understanding that in order to do frame accurate editing, the m2t (MPEG long Group Of Pictures) stream is transcribed on the way into most systems into a 3rd party format. This is where applications like Cineform and Adobe's plugin come into play. Avid has their own as does Vegas, I think.

On the way into your system that long GOP MPEG format is converted to an editable video format. You do your edits and render it out, etc. When you are editing, your video is not in a format that the HDV device will understand anymore as it is no longer a true m2t, HDV video/audio stream. The decks and cameras will ignore the signal. In Avids case, the Mojo is programed to see that intermediate signal and can translate but that's unique and specialized hardware for their system only.

Vegas is a bit different and I bow to Douglas Spotted Eagle for all things Vegas. He is the expert on how that system works.

This intermediate format used by the NLE is later converted back to an m2t stream for export. In the Avids case, it needs to render, like the old days, to a file which is then exported to the HDV device automatically, if hooked up and speaks to the system correctly.

That's how I read all this HDV stuff. Some systems vary but that's the way most are doing it.

Sean McHenry

Carlos Rodriguez · December 1st, 2005, 09:27 PM

Thanks Steven!

Joseph Clark · December 5th, 2005, 11:28 PM

I posted this elsewhere, but I need to get a Parhelia PCI-Express card asap and can't find them. Anyone?

Steven Gotz · December 6th, 2005, 10:42 PM

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_g...sterid=8222435

http://shopmatrox.com/usa/products/datasheet.asp?ID=766

Joseph Clark · December 7th, 2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Gotz

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http://shopmatrox.com/usa/products/datasheet.asp?ID=766

Many thanks.

November 5th, 2005, 06:45 PM	#1
Gary Harper Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 47	Monitors? What is the best configuration for monitoring with the Adobe Premier Pro interface? 2ea. 19" LCD monitors or 1ea 23" LCD monitor. Also, is there any advantage in using a widescreen monitor over a 3:4 Screen? How different is the colorspace of An HDTV image as compared to a standard def. NTSC image as viewed on the same LCD television? Can any Mfgr. LCD computer monitor (Wide Screen) be set up to be used as a preview monitor or should one stick with a "Television" for previewing? Thanks

November 11th, 2005, 03:28 PM	#2
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	I run Avid but used to go with Premiere Pro. Seems to me under either of these the best solution for me is two 19" matching monitors and a seperate NTSC video monitor or at least a television with 16:9 cpability. Use a dual nvidia card for the PC monitors and run a firewire cable to your deck or camera and run analog video and audio from the deck/camera to the video monitor so you can have real time previews of the actual video. That's how I do it with Avid. Sean McHenry __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

November 24th, 2005, 09:17 AM	#3
Susana Caula Tourist Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1	How will I preview? I will have a dual Nvidia card, but I don't have a camera or deck. How will I preview? Susana

November 28th, 2005, 12:42 PM	#4
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	If you are shooting standard DV formats, you can buy a Canopus or other device that will take your firewire output from your editing system and convert it to standard def. video and audio. You can then watch that on a regular monitor/tv with A/V inputs. Sean __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

November 30th, 2005, 02:48 PM	#6
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	No, no, no! HDV can not be sent out the firewire for monitoring purposes from Premiere Pro. The Nvidia Quadro FX-540 or the Matrox Parhelia APVe graphics cards both have component outputs that will do the job though. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

November 30th, 2005, 02:21 PM	#5
Carlos Rodriguez Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Modesto, California Posts: 206	can hdv be previewed out through firewire? I thought it couldn't... I've got the hdmh30k deck for hdv, and if I can preview out through firewire to that into a connected hd monitor then I'm set. by the way I'm using the adobe hdv plugin with 1.5.1. Will this work?

November 30th, 2005, 09:40 PM	#7
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	As far as I know, the only system that can do this is Avid Xpress ProHD with a Mojo. This is because the Avid software takes over the 1394 channel and sends a unique data over the connection to the Mojo. The Mojo is programmed to understand this info flow and convert to (nearly) realtime SD which you can then connect to a real monitor. There is a special drop-down menu setting for sending HDV out through the Mojo. Why is this? It is my understanding that in order to do frame accurate editing, the m2t (MPEG long Group Of Pictures) stream is transcribed on the way into most systems into a 3rd party format. This is where applications like Cineform and Adobe's plugin come into play. Avid has their own as does Vegas, I think. On the way into your system that long GOP MPEG format is converted to an editable video format. You do your edits and render it out, etc. When you are editing, your video is not in a format that the HDV device will understand anymore as it is no longer a true m2t, HDV video/audio stream. The decks and cameras will ignore the signal. In Avids case, the Mojo is programed to see that intermediate signal and can translate but that's unique and specialized hardware for their system only. Vegas is a bit different and I bow to Douglas Spotted Eagle for all things Vegas. He is the expert on how that system works. This intermediate format used by the NLE is later converted back to an m2t stream for export. In the Avids case, it needs to render, like the old days, to a file which is then exported to the HDV device automatically, if hooked up and speaks to the system correctly. That's how I read all this HDV stuff. Some systems vary but that's the way most are doing it. Sean McHenry __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

December 1st, 2005, 09:27 PM	#8
Carlos Rodriguez Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Modesto, California Posts: 206	I thought so... Thanks Steven!

December 5th, 2005, 11:28 PM	#9
Joseph Clark Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: St. Louis Posts: 58	Parhelia Availability I posted this elsewhere, but I need to get a Parhelia PCI-Express card asap and can't find them. Anyone?

December 6th, 2005, 10:42 PM	#10
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_g...sterid=8222435 http://shopmatrox.com/usa/products/datasheet.asp?ID=766 __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com