Encoding For Web Download. Almost perfect quailty wanted at DVinfo.net

Kyle Fasanella · July 18th, 2005, 01:43 AM

Hey guys I have an absolute beautiful film I think anyone interested in the capabilities of the Z1U would like to see.

I am using the easy setup in Final Cut, HDV 1080i60. I also have the new QuickTime pro 7 for encoding if needed. I would like the sizes to be reasonable I can go up to 40 megabytes per minute. Slightly more if it’s worth it. I want amazing quality.

please give good directions. I have tried encoding useing final cut and compressor but I can't get good encoding. either the video is huge and looks like crap or not the correct aspect ratio and loses widescreen. I reallly can't win. Please give exact settings and example of video if possible!

I want a lot of people to view it. so I can go to whatever size people can normally handle.

whats a codex that PC would like to encode with WME from Final cut for use as a WMV for windows users. ok please help I can't spend any more days encoding. for the love of god pleas save me from encoding more Z1U footage than I need!

Zack Birlew · July 18th, 2005, 09:37 AM

I too would like to know some good encoding strategies. I tried to encode some of my footage for the web and I end up with a 400mb+ video every time even though I shortened it, resized it, and everything else I could think of! I'v seen some really impressive videos that are decent size and quality that are less than 100mb, how do people do it? (=(

Kevin Shaw · July 18th, 2005, 11:21 AM

My preferred format for posting HD samples on the internet is Windows Media at 720p resolution using a bit rate of around 2 Mbps, which won't show the full quality of HDV but is about as good as you can realistically do for online purposes. At this bit rate you'll use about 15 MB of storage per minute of video, which shouldn't be a problem for anyone with a decent broadband connection.

By the way, I tried to install Apple's new H.264 codec on a PC recently and couldn't get it to work at all after three tries with the latest Quicktime installer, so I gave up. I'll stick with the more widely supported Windows Media format until H.264 is more prevalent and I'm convinced that the installer will work for both myself and potential online viewers.

Lorin Thwaits · July 26th, 2005, 03:11 AM

The Nero ShowTime player does a good job with h.264 content. But you have to buy it after 30 days.

Ultimately I think for PCs that WMV is about the only good game in town. 720p can look pretty danged good in that format. 1080p is also an option, but you should only consider it if your source is true HD, and not just the current HDV cams out there.

With proper deinterlacing you can get 720p at 60fps. Now that looks really, REALLY good and smooth. My pick of the computer-based formats. Search on Gunnar Thalin's deinterlace smooth filter for more info.

-Lorin

Peter Wiley · July 26th, 2005, 07:39 AM

You could ask http://www.dvlabs.com. The flash video sample on the home page looks pretty good. Shows what might be done.

Kevin Shaw · July 26th, 2005, 07:41 AM

For what it's worth, I did one WMV sample at 1080p from Sony 1080i footage, and someone else was able to download and play that and said it looked good. I wouldn't recommend this format for web distribution though, because relatively few computers can handle the playback requirements for 1080p compared to 720p.

Dylan Pank · July 27th, 2005, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle Fasanella

Hey guys I have an absolute beautiful film I think anyone interested in the capabilities of the Z1U would like to see.

It might be worth trying ffmpegX or DivX to make an HD avi. DivX is pretty widespread, and if it's not on a given machine, it's fairly easy to install.
The hi-def profile will bring you in well under your 40MB a minute aspiration, and is excellent quality.

Jeff Sayre · July 28th, 2005, 06:21 AM

Kyle:

There has been a similar discussion occurring in the HDV Acquisition Forum. I've posted a long description of how I get great-quality QT video for web-based delivery.

Visit this thread and go to post #8:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=47730

July 18th, 2005, 01:43 AM	#1
Kyle Fasanella Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 66	Encoding For Web Download. Almost perfect quailty wanted Hey guys I have an absolute beautiful film I think anyone interested in the capabilities of the Z1U would like to see. I am using the easy setup in Final Cut, HDV 1080i60. I also have the new QuickTime pro 7 for encoding if needed. I would like the sizes to be reasonable I can go up to 40 megabytes per minute. Slightly more if it’s worth it. I want amazing quality. please give good directions. I have tried encoding useing final cut and compressor but I can't get good encoding. either the video is huge and looks like crap or not the correct aspect ratio and loses widescreen. I reallly can't win. Please give exact settings and example of video if possible! I want a lot of people to view it. so I can go to whatever size people can normally handle. whats a codex that PC would like to encode with WME from Final cut for use as a WMV for windows users. ok please help I can't spend any more days encoding. for the love of god pleas save me from encoding more Z1U footage than I need!

July 18th, 2005, 09:37 AM	#2
Zack Birlew Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 613	I too would like to know some good encoding strategies. I tried to encode some of my footage for the web and I end up with a 400mb+ video every time even though I shortened it, resized it, and everything else I could think of! I'v seen some really impressive videos that are decent size and quality that are less than 100mb, how do people do it? (=( __________________ "Babs Do or Babs Do not, there is no try." - Zack Birlew www.BabsDoProductions.com

July 26th, 2005, 03:11 AM	#4
Lorin Thwaits Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 40	Nero is a trialware h.264 option The Nero ShowTime player does a good job with h.264 content. But you have to buy it after 30 days. Ultimately I think for PCs that WMV is about the only good game in town. 720p can look pretty danged good in that format. 1080p is also an option, but you should only consider it if your source is true HD, and not just the current HDV cams out there. With proper deinterlacing you can get 720p at 60fps. Now that looks really, REALLY good and smooth. My pick of the computer-based formats. Search on Gunnar Thalin's deinterlace smooth filter for more info. -Lorin

July 18th, 2005, 11:21 AM	#3
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	My preferred format for posting HD samples on the internet is Windows Media at 720p resolution using a bit rate of around 2 Mbps, which won't show the full quality of HDV but is about as good as you can realistically do for online purposes. At this bit rate you'll use about 15 MB of storage per minute of video, which shouldn't be a problem for anyone with a decent broadband connection. By the way, I tried to install Apple's new H.264 codec on a PC recently and couldn't get it to work at all after three tries with the latest Quicktime installer, so I gave up. I'll stick with the more widely supported Windows Media format until H.264 is more prevalent and I'm convinced that the installer will work for both myself and potential online viewers.

July 26th, 2005, 07:39 AM	#5
Peter Wiley Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lewisburg PA Posts: 752	You could ask http://www.dvlabs.com. The flash video sample on the home page looks pretty good. Shows what might be done.

July 26th, 2005, 07:41 AM	#6
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	For what it's worth, I did one WMV sample at 1080p from Sony 1080i footage, and someone else was able to download and play that and said it looked good. I wouldn't recommend this format for web distribution though, because relatively few computers can handle the playback requirements for 1080p compared to 720p.

July 28th, 2005, 06:21 AM	#8
Jeff Sayre Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 301	Kyle: There has been a similar discussion occurring in the HDV Acquisition Forum. I've posted a long description of how I get great-quality QT video for web-based delivery. Visit this thread and go to post #8: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=47730 __________________ www.SayreMedia.com