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Joel Corral · November 30th, 2004, 11:23 AM

Got my HDR-FX1 !!! but how can i capture in premiere.

i downloaded the Aspect HD pro demo but i can't stand it! you can't see what you are capturing (no monitor output) and after the capture is finished it encodeds the file. i thought that hdr-fx1 will already encode the file as soon as it hits the firewire device.

any other methods anyone has experienced? please help

thanks in advance.

joel

David Newman · November 30th, 2004, 12:21 PM

True it would be nice to a monitor window during capture (something we have been working on), fortunately the camera's own LCD can serve that purpose until the monitoring window support is completed. The Aspect HD enhancement focuses on editing performance, capture-convert is a necessary evil to get real-time editing performance on today's desktop PC. The idea being you capture only once, but editing can is a on-going process -- it is much better for creativity to make the editing experience nice (maybe even fun.)

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Joel Corral · November 30th, 2004, 01:39 PM

so this is it for premiere? i wish there was a different plugin so i could compare. we (editors) who use premiere need to have the ability to capture directly to the time line with out having to go through a pre render processes. who wants to wait around for pre renders and import. this in a way defeats the purpose of premiere pro 1.5.

oh well that life.

thanks for the input.

David Newman · November 30th, 2004, 01:50 PM

Fortunately all your concerns will be addressed in future releases. However the time lag you are experiencing on capture is a matter of system performance. Aspect HD users with the JVC camera experience real-time capture and conversion (one pass)on 3.2GHz P4s. The Sony HDV camera has 68% more pixels so the transode time has increased, yet this can be overcome will a dual proc system if you wish (real-time capture from Sony HDV works fine on modern dual proc systems.) The problem all editors are facing is the sudden 4.5 increase in pixel count without a similar increase in CPU power. Something had to give -- that is why new workflows have been created to deal with the problem.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Joel Corral · November 30th, 2004, 02:07 PM

i got a p4 3.2ghz
1gig ram
500 gig hdd (no raid)
ati 9600 pro 256mb ( dual monitors)

so whats the pc prereq's?.. for real time or near real time capture?

David Newman · November 30th, 2004, 02:16 PM

That is decent PC for editing with Aspect HD, and above our recommend system spec. As I said in the previous post a modern dual proc PC (Xeon or Opteron) will achieve RT capture conversion of 1080i, plus even more editing performance. This is not necessary for most users.

Mike Tiffee · November 30th, 2004, 06:30 PM

Don't expect to just hit the ground running and edit just like you would DV. HDV is a new format that will take time to become widely supported and popular. The FX-1 is on the cutting edge of low cost HD.

Joel Corral · November 30th, 2004, 11:01 PM

wow thanks mike for the info i didn't need.

i am really lookin for some good suggestions that work. i have read that the jvc hd codec might work and the mainconcept hd codec as well might work. i am fishing for some clues on how to get this started.

thanks

Gabriele Sartori · December 12th, 2004, 10:54 AM

It is very fast since it doesn't touch the unedited mpeg frames, it imports/exports from premiere and the preview works. It is also cheaper than Aspect HD. It is a no brainer for me.
I finally was able to forget about all that D-VHS utility thing. I have two 1394 devices a HD1 and a DVHS VCR. I can now import the clips directly from the HD1 like during the good DV days and export to the DVHS in order to preserve the resolution. Mainconcept is the way to go in my opinion!

Gabriele

Jimmy McKenzie · December 12th, 2004, 11:31 AM

Joel, Mike is right. You need to see beyond your instantaneous need and understand that even Premiere Pro is being debugged as we write. Remember it's humble beginnings in version 4.2?
Perhaps I thought you would engage a little tact, I mean really ... you do have 74 posts on this board...

November 30th, 2004, 11:23 AM	#1
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	Got my HDR-FX1 !!! but how can i capture. Got my HDR-FX1 !!! but how can i capture in premiere. i downloaded the Aspect HD pro demo but i can't stand it! you can't see what you are capturing (no monitor output) and after the capture is finished it encodeds the file. i thought that hdr-fx1 will already encode the file as soon as it hits the firewire device. any other methods anyone has experienced? please help thanks in advance. joel

November 30th, 2004, 12:21 PM	#2
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	True it would be nice to a monitor window during capture (something we have been working on), fortunately the camera's own LCD can serve that purpose until the monitoring window support is completed. The Aspect HD enhancement focuses on editing performance, capture-convert is a necessary evil to get real-time editing performance on today's desktop PC. The idea being you capture only once, but editing can is a on-going process -- it is much better for creativity to make the editing experience nice (maybe even fun.) David Newman CTO, CineForm __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 30th, 2004, 01:50 PM	#4
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Fortunately all your concerns will be addressed in future releases. However the time lag you are experiencing on capture is a matter of system performance. Aspect HD users with the JVC camera experience real-time capture and conversion (one pass)on 3.2GHz P4s. The Sony HDV camera has 68% more pixels so the transode time has increased, yet this can be overcome will a dual proc system if you wish (real-time capture from Sony HDV works fine on modern dual proc systems.) The problem all editors are facing is the sudden 4.5 increase in pixel count without a similar increase in CPU power. Something had to give -- that is why new workflows have been created to deal with the problem. David Newman CTO, CineForm __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 30th, 2004, 02:16 PM	#6
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	That is decent PC for editing with Aspect HD, and above our recommend system spec. As I said in the previous post a modern dual proc PC (Xeon or Opteron) will achieve RT capture conversion of 1080i, plus even more editing performance. This is not necessary for most users. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

December 12th, 2004, 10:54 AM	#9
Gabriele Sartori Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA Posts: 112	Mainconcept HD codec is great It is very fast since it doesn't touch the unedited mpeg frames, it imports/exports from premiere and the preview works. It is also cheaper than Aspect HD. It is a no brainer for me. I finally was able to forget about all that D-VHS utility thing. I have two 1394 devices a HD1 and a DVHS VCR. I can now import the clips directly from the HD1 like during the good DV days and export to the DVHS in order to preserve the resolution. Mainconcept is the way to go in my opinion! Gabriele

November 30th, 2004, 01:39 PM	#3
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	so this is it for premiere? i wish there was a different plugin so i could compare. we (editors) who use premiere need to have the ability to capture directly to the time line with out having to go through a pre render processes. who wants to wait around for pre renders and import. this in a way defeats the purpose of premiere pro 1.5. oh well that life. thanks for the input.

November 30th, 2004, 02:07 PM	#5
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	i got a p4 3.2ghz 1gig ram 500 gig hdd (no raid) ati 9600 pro 256mb ( dual monitors) so whats the pc prereq's?.. for real time or near real time capture?

November 30th, 2004, 06:30 PM	#7
Mike Tiffee Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 150	Don't expect to just hit the ground running and edit just like you would DV. HDV is a new format that will take time to become widely supported and popular. The FX-1 is on the cutting edge of low cost HD.

November 30th, 2004, 11:01 PM	#8
Joel Corral Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 356	wow thanks mike for the info i didn't need. i am really lookin for some good suggestions that work. i have read that the jvc hd codec might work and the mainconcept hd codec as well might work. i am fishing for some clues on how to get this started. thanks

December 12th, 2004, 11:31 AM	#10
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	Joel, Mike is right. You need to see beyond your instantaneous need and understand that even Premiere Pro is being debugged as we write. Remember it's humble beginnings in version 4.2? Perhaps I thought you would engage a little tact, I mean really ... you do have 74 posts on this board...