Call To Editors! HDTV Footage Available

David Newman · November 10th, 2004, 07:43 PM

Premiere or Vegas will happily do this.

You never really explained your application, but it would seem that normal MPEG2 would be more readable than M2t files. Try using the Export options within your NLE.

Sasha Froyland · November 10th, 2004, 08:08 PM

David - My NLE - Premiere Pro - doesn't let you export clips that are not in a timeline. With thousands of clips I cannot drag each one to a timeline, Export, clear timeline, drap another clip, Export, etc. Need some way to batch convert to mpeg2. Just like the Cineform's HDLink converts a list of .mt2 file to avi.

Cheers,

Sasha

Boyd Ostroff · November 10th, 2004, 08:49 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sasha Froyland : I think that MAC & PC both use Firewire and if the external drive was formatted FAT32 then I think that would work. -->>>

Macs can mount PC formatted drives, but my experience is that performance suffers. I bought a PC formatted Firewire drive and tried editing some SD DV on it awhile ago. It dropped frames and wouldn't work properly. After reformatting the drive for MacOS X it worked fine.

So your plan should be fine for mounting a disk and copying the data to a Mac formatted drive, but I'm not sure that you could edit the video directly on the PC formatted drive.

George Ellis · November 10th, 2004, 08:53 PM

I do not have a CFHD codec, therefore cannot read the video. I could import it and get audio though ;)

Liquid Edition 6.

Dylan Pank · November 11th, 2004, 08:18 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sasha Froyland : David - My NLE - Premiere Pro - doesn't let you export clips that are not in a timeline
<snip> -->>>

Is this True? that's bizarre, as Premiere 6.5 can export from clips. Are you sure you've checked this out. I don't mean to impune you information but if true that's just plain mad.

Sasha Froyland · November 11th, 2004, 08:38 AM

Boyd - Do you know how I can format a drive for a MAC from a PC? (I only have a PC).

George - Thanks for trying. You satisfied the skeptic in me.

Dylan - It is. Premier can export to a many differnt formats but you must drag each clip onto the timeline and then export either all the clips on the timeline as one big long clip or export each clip one at a time which would take me weeks. Unless, there is some kind of macro or API interface that I can program Premiere to perform these steps automatically: take file from Bin to timeline, export timeling in mpeg2 format, clear timeline, remove clip from Bin, (and continue to first step). Which NLE do you use? Can it export directly from the Bin?

Cheers,

Sasha

Dylan Pank · November 11th, 2004, 10:00 AM

I'm on FCP 4.5 (Mac) and premiere 6.5 (both Mac and PC) and in both of these you can export from the bin, which is why I'm flabbergasted that PPro doesn't allow you to do that.

Sasha Froyland · November 11th, 2004, 10:30 AM

Dylan - I am flabbergasted! Maybe I am mistaken but …. if I don't have clips in the timeline then the File, Export option is disabled. Note: Don't have Premiere at my current day job so will have to wait to this evening to check it out again. This would be GREAT news!

Phil Wright · November 11th, 2004, 10:30 AM

Actually you can export from the bin in Premiere Pro 1.5.

Select the clip in the bin. Go the File menu and select Export Movie (ctrl-M). Will render out the selected clip in whatever format you choose.

Sasha Froyland · November 11th, 2004, 10:34 AM

Phil - Thanks! I will take the .AVI clip I've posted on the website (http://sashafroyland.home.comcast.net/) into Premiere Pro and export back out as mpeg2 and re-post on the website and then maybe a few DVInfo Members can download the new mpeg2 file and try to edit in their NLE and let me know how it goes.

Cheers,
Sasha

Sasha Froyland · November 11th, 2004, 11:43 PM

Hey!
From Premiere I can export from the Bin but only one file at a time, but yet I can export from the Bin.

Phil - Know any way to export multiple clips at once from the Bin?

I exported one file from Cineform's .avi format to mpeg.

Please download the 22 meg file and try and edit it and let me know how the quality looks.

http://sashafroyland.home.comcast.net/

Cheers,

Sasha

Sasha Froyland · November 13th, 2004, 09:38 AM

Summary:

Want to thank everyone for their support with this topic.

Lessons Learned:

1) How to exchange data from PC to MAC?
Answer: External Firewire hard-drive, format from the PC NTFS, MAC OS 10 can read but not write but data access will be fast and not-corruptible. Seek
FW800 is better then FW400, Oxford 911 Chipset or better, 7200 RPM with 8 MB cache or better.
Connection: Can daisy-chain hard-drives but having separate firewire ports will be slightly faster.

2) How to make my HDTV footage from Cineform's .avi files available for most editors?
Answer: Convert to MPEG-2. Use Freeware program avi2mpg2_vfw.
Available at: http://members.cox.net/beyeler/bbmpeg.html
Program converts .AVI files produced by Cineform into the following:

Video:
Resolution: 1280x720
Bits per Pixel: 24
Frame Rate: 29.97

Audio:
Channels: Stereo
Sample Rate: 48.0 kHz
Bits per Sample: 16

And the best part of the program is that it allows you to BATCH process multiple files into Multiple output files. All of the other programs I tried only performed conversions from many files to ONE output file. This program gives you the option for both.

The output plays well and appears to me to retain all the quality BUT I would respectfully request/plead that you please download some of the footage I have converted and see if you can edit the footage and if the quality looks good.

File Size Before/After Conversion:
233,033 => 101,909
40,640 => 5,469
42,969 => 17,715

Greater then 50% file size reduction. But at what cost? Editing performance? Quality?

The converted clips are located at:
http://sashafroyland.home.comcast.net/

Sasha Froyland · November 13th, 2004, 05:26 PM

Both AVI and MPEG-2 files are now available on a new site that can support larger files.

www.sashafroyland.strategicenterprisesolution.com

The files are currently uploading and should be complete in two houre or 6:25PM MST Saturday Night 11/13/2004.

Cheers,

Sasha

November 10th, 2004, 07:43 PM	#16
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Premiere or Vegas will happily do this. You never really explained your application, but it would seem that normal MPEG2 would be more readable than M2t files. Try using the Export options within your NLE. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 13th, 2004, 09:38 AM	#27
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	SUMMARY Summary: Want to thank everyone for their support with this topic. Lessons Learned: 1) How to exchange data from PC to MAC? Answer: External Firewire hard-drive, format from the PC NTFS, MAC OS 10 can read but not write but data access will be fast and not-corruptible. Seek FW800 is better then FW400, Oxford 911 Chipset or better, 7200 RPM with 8 MB cache or better. Connection: Can daisy-chain hard-drives but having separate firewire ports will be slightly faster. 2) How to make my HDTV footage from Cineform's .avi files available for most editors? Answer: Convert to MPEG-2. Use Freeware program avi2mpg2_vfw. Available at: http://members.cox.net/beyeler/bbmpeg.html Program converts .AVI files produced by Cineform into the following: Video: Resolution: 1280x720 Bits per Pixel: 24 Frame Rate: 29.97 Audio: Channels: Stereo Sample Rate: 48.0 kHz Bits per Sample: 16 And the best part of the program is that it allows you to BATCH process multiple files into Multiple output files. All of the other programs I tried only performed conversions from many files to ONE output file. This program gives you the option for both. The output plays well and appears to me to retain all the quality BUT I would respectfully request/plead that you please download some of the footage I have converted and see if you can edit the footage and if the quality looks good. File Size Before/After Conversion: 233,033 => 101,909 40,640 => 5,469 42,969 => 17,715 Greater then 50% file size reduction. But at what cost? Editing performance? Quality? The converted clips are located at: http://sashafroyland.home.comcast.net/

November 10th, 2004, 08:08 PM	#17
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	David - My NLE - Premiere Pro - doesn't let you export clips that are not in a timeline. With thousands of clips I cannot drag each one to a timeline, Export, clear timeline, drap another clip, Export, etc. Need some way to batch convert to mpeg2. Just like the Cineform's HDLink converts a list of .mt2 file to avi. Cheers, Sasha

November 10th, 2004, 08:49 PM	#18
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,800	<<<-- Originally posted by Sasha Froyland : I think that MAC & PC both use Firewire and if the external drive was formatted FAT32 then I think that would work. -->>> Macs can mount PC formatted drives, but my experience is that performance suffers. I bought a PC formatted Firewire drive and tried editing some SD DV on it awhile ago. It dropped frames and wouldn't work properly. After reformatting the drive for MacOS X it worked fine. So your plan should be fine for mounting a disk and copying the data to a Mac formatted drive, but I'm not sure that you could edit the video directly on the PC formatted drive.

November 10th, 2004, 08:53 PM	#19
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	I do not have a CFHD codec, therefore cannot read the video. I could import it and get audio though ;) Liquid Edition 6.

November 11th, 2004, 08:18 AM	#20
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	<<<-- Originally posted by Sasha Froyland : David - My NLE - Premiere Pro - doesn't let you export clips that are not in a timeline <snip> -->>> Is this True? that's bizarre, as Premiere 6.5 can export from clips. Are you sure you've checked this out. I don't mean to impune you information but if true that's just plain mad.

November 11th, 2004, 08:38 AM	#21
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	Boyd - Do you know how I can format a drive for a MAC from a PC? (I only have a PC). George - Thanks for trying. You satisfied the skeptic in me. Dylan - It is. Premier can export to a many differnt formats but you must drag each clip onto the timeline and then export either all the clips on the timeline as one big long clip or export each clip one at a time which would take me weeks. Unless, there is some kind of macro or API interface that I can program Premiere to perform these steps automatically: take file from Bin to timeline, export timeling in mpeg2 format, clear timeline, remove clip from Bin, (and continue to first step). Which NLE do you use? Can it export directly from the Bin? Cheers, Sasha

November 11th, 2004, 10:00 AM	#22
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	I'm on FCP 4.5 (Mac) and premiere 6.5 (both Mac and PC) and in both of these you can export from the bin, which is why I'm flabbergasted that PPro doesn't allow you to do that.

November 11th, 2004, 10:30 AM	#23
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	Dylan - I am flabbergasted! Maybe I am mistaken but …. if I don't have clips in the timeline then the File, Export option is disabled. Note: Don't have Premiere at my current day job so will have to wait to this evening to check it out again. This would be GREAT news!

November 11th, 2004, 10:30 AM	#24
Phil Wright CineForm (Aspect HD) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 57	Actually you can export from the bin in Premiere Pro 1.5. Select the clip in the bin. Go the File menu and select Export Movie (ctrl-M). Will render out the selected clip in whatever format you choose.

November 11th, 2004, 10:34 AM	#25
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	Phil - Thanks! I will take the .AVI clip I've posted on the website (http://sashafroyland.home.comcast.net/) into Premiere Pro and export back out as mpeg2 and re-post on the website and then maybe a few DVInfo Members can download the new mpeg2 file and try to edit in their NLE and let me know how it goes. Cheers, Sasha

November 11th, 2004, 11:43 PM	#26
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	Hey! From Premiere I can export from the Bin but only one file at a time, but yet I can export from the Bin. Phil - Know any way to export multiple clips at once from the Bin? I exported one file from Cineform's .avi format to mpeg. Please download the 22 meg file and try and edit it and let me know how the quality looks. http://sashafroyland.home.comcast.net/ Cheers, Sasha

November 13th, 2004, 05:26 PM	#28
Sasha Froyland Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	Both AVI and MPEG-2 files are now available on a new site that can support larger files. www.sashafroyland.strategicenterprisesolution.com The files are currently uploading and should be complete in two houre or 6:25PM MST Saturday Night 11/13/2004. Cheers, Sasha