Ulead plug-in is out at DVinfo.net

Dwight Flynn · March 9th, 2004, 07:22 AM

Hey guys, the Ulead plug-in for the hd10u is out. It is used with MediaStudio Pro 7 and costs $299.

Darren Kelly · March 10th, 2004, 11:00 AM

I can tell you we worked with an early Beta for the DVD and it works very well.

If you buy the DVD, BTW, you will save $60 (The cost of the DVD) on the plug in.

Sort of a 2 for 1 deal!

DBK

Dwight Flynn · March 11th, 2004, 07:09 AM

My only worry is that the next generation of off the shelf programs will have this capability built in. Frankly that does not seem to be too far away. I guess it just comes down to whether you need an immediate alternative to what is already out there. I haven't tried this plug-in yet, but i am interested in seeing it in action. Has anyone tried it yet?

Bob England · March 12th, 2004, 10:55 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Darren Kelly : I can tell you we worked with an early Beta for the DVD and it works very well.

If you buy the DVD, BTW, you will save $60 (The cost of the DVD) on the plug in.

Sort of a 2 for 1 deal!

DBK -->>>

Darren,

The Ulead HDV Plug-in 20% discount coupon that came with my copy of the Jumpstart DVD states that the offer expired February 28, 2004 which of course was before the plug-in's early March release. Has this offer been renewed/extended? If so, do I need a new coupon to take advantage of it?

Bob England

Ken Hodson · March 12th, 2004, 12:24 PM

Can anyone suppy any specifics on this codec?
Is it only for P4? Does it only work with Media Studio?
Is it keeping it in mpeg2ts or converting to their own codec ala Aspect HD?
Ken

Darren Kelly · March 12th, 2004, 02:50 PM

It's not a codec. It works with the native file your camera outputs.

It works very well, has some realtime and more.

DBK

Peter Robert · March 12th, 2004, 08:20 PM

Is this software able to import atsc hd contents from d-vhs and edit and then export the ts to d-vhs?

Ken Hodson · March 12th, 2004, 11:31 PM

"It's not a codec. It works with the native file your camera outputs."

So wouldn't that be the mpeg2ts codec? Or is mpeg2 not a codec (sorry if thats dumb, always considered it one)
Ken

Jerry Jones · April 13th, 2004, 01:05 PM

I'm having problems with the plug-in - although I admit my computer system does not meet the minimum requirements described in the PDF manual:

WINDOWS XP
Pentium 4 3.0ghz
512mb of ram

I'm finding I can capture using an AMD 1.67ghz system.

However, the video playback stutters.

So be sure that you have a 3.0ghz Pentium 4.

In addition, the plug-in won't work on Windows 2000 computers.

I know.

I tried that as well.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

David Newman · April 13th, 2004, 03:37 PM

Unfortnately native MPEG2 editing is rather CPU intensive, so there is probably nothing wrong with the Ulead plug-in. A single MPEG decode at 1280x720p30 (under media player) requires around a 2.0GHz P4. I believe Ulead uses a RGBA video pipeline which requires every HD frame go through a YUV to RGBA conversion before it is displayed. This would set the minimum system levels quite high, maybe around 2.5Ghz. It is always good to have some headroom on your minimum specs for other editing tasks (like audio mixing.)

Jerry Jones · April 13th, 2004, 04:22 PM

Thanks for the additional information.

I plan to upgrade to a faster system in due time.

I agree with your advice.

I'm actually going to wait until processors hit the 4ghz mark so I'll get that extra headroom that you mentioned.

Then I'll upgrade.

In the meantime, I thought I would post to let folks know that sub-3ghz computer systems probably won't cut the mustard - if my experience is any indication.

I'll be doing some more tests with the SD mode.

I haven't tested that yet and I suppose it's possible that even my sub-spec computer might work with that.

If not, there's always plain vanilla DV mode!

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Brian Conrad · April 14th, 2004, 01:02 PM

The HD playback works fine on my 2.4 GHz P4. However the Capture has problems with when time code changes in some clips. It stops capturing. Did you notice this David? Ulead has acknowledged the bug and is still working on it. The JVC (Pixela) utility starts a new clip when a timecode change occurs. I suspect the Ulead capture is supposed to capture to one file until you quit. Otherwise the machine has no problem capturing.

Brian Conrad

Jerry Jones · April 14th, 2004, 03:46 PM

Brian, the problem you describe doesn't happen here and I'm using an Athlon 1.67ghz machine!

However, I received an e-mail from an acquaintance at Ulead that the scene change/capture stop problem has been fixed.

There should already be a newer version of the plug-in available to correct that issue.

Perhaps I got the newer version.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

<<<-- Originally posted by Brian Conrad : The HD playback works fine on my 2.4 GHz P4. However the Capture has problems with when time code changes in some clips. It stops capturing. Did you notice this David? Ulead has acknowledged the bug and is still working on it. The JVC (Pixela) utility starts a new clip when a timecode change occurs. I suspect the Ulead capture is supposed to capture to one file until you quit. Otherwise the machine has no problem capturing.

Brian Conrad -->>>

Brian Conrad · April 15th, 2004, 12:39 PM

They sent me a "fix" two weeks ago but it didn't fix the problem. My "acquaintance" is the MSP project manager. I inquired again on the status the other day but haven't yet heard back.

- Brian

March 9th, 2004, 07:22 AM	#1
Dwight Flynn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 393	Ulead plug-in is out Hey guys, the Ulead plug-in for the hd10u is out. It is used with MediaStudio Pro 7 and costs $299.

March 10th, 2004, 11:00 AM	#2
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	I can tell you we worked with an early Beta for the DVD and it works very well. If you buy the DVD, BTW, you will save $60 (The cost of the DVD) on the plug in. Sort of a 2 for 1 deal! DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

March 11th, 2004, 07:09 AM	#3
Dwight Flynn Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 393	temp measure My only worry is that the next generation of off the shelf programs will have this capability built in. Frankly that does not seem to be too far away. I guess it just comes down to whether you need an immediate alternative to what is already out there. I haven't tried this plug-in yet, but i am interested in seeing it in action. Has anyone tried it yet?

March 12th, 2004, 12:24 PM	#5
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Can anyone suppy any specifics on this codec? Is it only for P4? Does it only work with Media Studio? Is it keeping it in mpeg2ts or converting to their own codec ala Aspect HD? Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

March 12th, 2004, 02:50 PM	#6
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	It's not a codec. It works with the native file your camera outputs. It works very well, has some realtime and more. DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

March 12th, 2004, 10:55 AM	#4
Bob England Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 59	<<<-- Originally posted by Darren Kelly : I can tell you we worked with an early Beta for the DVD and it works very well. If you buy the DVD, BTW, you will save $60 (The cost of the DVD) on the plug in. Sort of a 2 for 1 deal! DBK -->>> Darren, The Ulead HDV Plug-in 20% discount coupon that came with my copy of the Jumpstart DVD states that the offer expired February 28, 2004 which of course was before the plug-in's early March release. Has this offer been renewed/extended? If so, do I need a new coupon to take advantage of it? Bob England

March 12th, 2004, 08:20 PM	#7
Peter Robert Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 70	Is this software able to import atsc hd contents from d-vhs and edit and then export the ts to d-vhs?

March 12th, 2004, 11:31 PM	#8
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	"It's not a codec. It works with the native file your camera outputs." So wouldn't that be the mpeg2ts codec? Or is mpeg2 not a codec (sorry if thats dumb, always considered it one) Ken __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

April 13th, 2004, 01:05 PM	#9
Jerry Jones Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 54	I'm having problems with the plug-in - although I admit my computer system does not meet the minimum requirements described in the PDF manual: WINDOWS XP Pentium 4 3.0ghz 512mb of ram I'm finding I can capture using an AMD 1.67ghz system. However, the video playback stutters. So be sure that you have a 3.0ghz Pentium 4. In addition, the plug-in won't work on Windows 2000 computers. I know. I tried that as well. Jerry Jones http://www.jonesgroup.net

April 13th, 2004, 03:37 PM	#10
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Unfortnately native MPEG2 editing is rather CPU intensive, so there is probably nothing wrong with the Ulead plug-in. A single MPEG decode at 1280x720p30 (under media player) requires around a 2.0GHz P4. I believe Ulead uses a RGBA video pipeline which requires every HD frame go through a YUV to RGBA conversion before it is displayed. This would set the minimum system levels quite high, maybe around 2.5Ghz. It is always good to have some headroom on your minimum specs for other editing tasks (like audio mixing.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

April 13th, 2004, 04:22 PM	#11
Jerry Jones Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 54	Thanks for the additional information. I plan to upgrade to a faster system in due time. I agree with your advice. I'm actually going to wait until processors hit the 4ghz mark so I'll get that extra headroom that you mentioned. Then I'll upgrade. In the meantime, I thought I would post to let folks know that sub-3ghz computer systems probably won't cut the mustard - if my experience is any indication. I'll be doing some more tests with the SD mode. I haven't tested that yet and I suppose it's possible that even my sub-spec computer might work with that. If not, there's always plain vanilla DV mode! Jerry Jones http://www.jonesgroup.net

April 14th, 2004, 01:02 PM	#12
Brian Conrad New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Martinez, CA Posts: 7	The HD playback works fine on my 2.4 GHz P4. However the Capture has problems with when time code changes in some clips. It stops capturing. Did you notice this David? Ulead has acknowledged the bug and is still working on it. The JVC (Pixela) utility starts a new clip when a timecode change occurs. I suspect the Ulead capture is supposed to capture to one file until you quit. Otherwise the machine has no problem capturing. Brian Conrad

April 14th, 2004, 03:46 PM	#13
Jerry Jones Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 54	Brian, the problem you describe doesn't happen here and I'm using an Athlon 1.67ghz machine! However, I received an e-mail from an acquaintance at Ulead that the scene change/capture stop problem has been fixed. There should already be a newer version of the plug-in available to correct that issue. Perhaps I got the newer version. Jerry Jones http://www.jonesgroup.net <<<-- Originally posted by Brian Conrad : The HD playback works fine on my 2.4 GHz P4. However the Capture has problems with when time code changes in some clips. It stops capturing. Did you notice this David? Ulead has acknowledged the bug and is still working on it. The JVC (Pixela) utility starts a new clip when a timecode change occurs. I suspect the Ulead capture is supposed to capture to one file until you quit. Otherwise the machine has no problem capturing. Brian Conrad -->>>

April 15th, 2004, 12:39 PM	#14
Brian Conrad New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Martinez, CA Posts: 7	They sent me a "fix" two weeks ago but it didn't fix the problem. My "acquaintance" is the MSP project manager. I inquired again on the status the other day but haven't yet heard back. - Brian