HD10u footage run thought Magic Bullet? at DVinfo.net

Christopher C. Murphy · January 9th, 2004, 11:24 AM

Hi,

Has anyone tried running original HD footage through one of the "film look" packages out there? I'm curious because the footage looks pretty good alone, but I was checking out some regular DV footage after being run through Magic Bullet and it definately looks better.

Will HD10u footage benefit from a "film look" software pass? Before you answer - have you actually tried it?? If not, let's not assume...I like real world answers on this type of thing. I actually saw DV footage after passing though Magic Bullet and my eyes tell me it IS better for sure. (By the way, I saw this topic posted in the "film look" forum on this site. However, I am an HD10u owner and I'm interested in editing Magic Bullet-ized footage!)

Thanks!!

Murph

Rob Lohman · January 10th, 2004, 08:58 AM

Since no-one responded, I'm gonna give you a non real-world
reply:

The idea of MB is to make your footage *look* better, so therefor
it should work just as well with HD footage then it would with SD.
The only issues is whether it will accept the higher resolutions I think.

Christopher C. Murphy · January 10th, 2004, 09:17 AM

Thanks for responding. I know someone that might be buying the Magic Bullet software, so I might kick in a $1,000 extra for the HD version.

They sell a SD for $1,000 and the HD for $2,000 - I imagine the HD version does SD too. If it doesn't they're being pains-in-the-butts about it!

Murph

Mark Jervis · January 10th, 2004, 09:21 AM

The HD version is resolution independent. The SD version is resolution dependent up to 720x480. I have worked with Magic Bullet HD with the HD10 on a few sample clips but would like to go out and shoot some stuff specifically for Magic Bullet. The footage I have run through magic bullet looks pretty good. It all depends on your orinigal footage. Magic Bullet cannot make bad footage look good but can help make good footage look better.

Bernard Ryan · January 10th, 2004, 09:34 PM

Hi,
I use 55mm plug ins with my HD1 after i have converted the footage to quicktime..

They make a HUGE difference but works best used with subtle settings..

Thought about Magic Bullet but was to expensive, 55mm does SD & HD for same cheap price..

Download the demo and try it..

bernie
Cyber City Films
Sydney Australia

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · January 12th, 2004, 02:43 PM

Bernard wrote:

>>>I use 55mm plug ins with my HD1 after i have converted the footage to quicktime..>>>

Bernard,

Can you post samples of your results?

Have you viewed the results on a DVD?

Thanks,

Brian

Paul St. Denis · January 12th, 2004, 03:43 PM

trbarry has a free filter "addGrain" for avisynth that he has used on a JVC HD camera. He has an example still here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/trbarry/downloads.htm

Christopher C. Murphy · January 12th, 2004, 03:59 PM

I can see the grain in the trbarry photo. However, it would really be cool to see a full clip of it. It's really had to see what that would add to a clip without seeing it.

Any chance of posting a little clip? I'll download the addgrain.zip file when I get home from work, so I can also try it.

Thanks!

Murph

Paul St. Denis · January 12th, 2004, 06:32 PM

I am not a cinematographer but I will see what I can do.

Paul St. Denis · January 16th, 2004, 05:42 PM

Here is footage of the Golden Gate Bridge shot by Paul Mogg. I ran it through addgrain, using (120,0,.9) as parameters
http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HD_s...ridgeGrain.wmv (9 Meg Windows Media)

Maybe I applied too much grain? I think original footage looks better.

http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HD_samples/GGBridge.wmv

Christopher C. Murphy · January 16th, 2004, 05:54 PM

Paul, it looks like the addgrain one has a darker tone. I'm not on the greatest monitor at this moment, but that's what I see.

Maybe adding grain to MPEG2 footage isn't a great idea because it already has grain in a way. I'm thinking that smoothing out the footage might help more than adding grain. What do you think?

I just got my final piece of equipment (a nice tripod), so I'll be finally able to shoot some HD10u stuff and share. I wish there was an online storage place for footage...we need one! Maybe we can add some to archive.org - that seems to be free.

Murph

Paul Mogg · January 17th, 2004, 05:17 PM

I think that the HD1OU naturally has a grainy film-like look to it due to the MPEG2 compression, so adding grain is not a really good idea. What I'd like to find is a good filter for FCP that would smooth out the the MPEG compression noise arifacts seen in flat areas of color. This is my biggest bug with the camera, it's not really noticeable in busy scenes, but I really notice it in blue skies and expanses of water, that sort of thing.

Paul St. Denis · January 18th, 2004, 01:58 AM

Avisynth has a denoiser that I will try on Monday. Avisynth is nice, too bad they don't have it for the Mac.
Has anyone tried "Joe's Noise Reducer"?
http://www.joesfilters.com/joesnoisereducer.php

Paul St. Denis · January 20th, 2004, 06:20 PM

Here is the footage sent through an avisynth chroma and temporal denoiser
http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HD_s...dgecleaned.wmv
I do notice a difference in the hazy portions in the top corners

Glenn Gipson · February 11th, 2004, 05:05 PM

So is it safe to assume that you can use Magic Bullet's Look Suite with HD10 footage?

January 9th, 2004, 11:24 AM	#1
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	HD10u footage run thought Magic Bullet? Hi, Has anyone tried running original HD footage through one of the "film look" packages out there? I'm curious because the footage looks pretty good alone, but I was checking out some regular DV footage after being run through Magic Bullet and it definately looks better. Will HD10u footage benefit from a "film look" software pass? Before you answer - have you actually tried it?? If not, let's not assume...I like real world answers on this type of thing. I actually saw DV footage after passing though Magic Bullet and my eyes tell me it IS better for sure. (By the way, I saw this topic posted in the "film look" forum on this site. However, I am an HD10u owner and I'm interested in editing Magic Bullet-ized footage!) Thanks!! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 10th, 2004, 08:58 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Since no-one responded, I'm gonna give you a non real-world reply: The idea of MB is to make your footage look better, so therefor it should work just as well with HD footage then it would with SD. The only issues is whether it will accept the higher resolutions I think. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 10th, 2004, 09:17 AM	#3
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Thanks for responding. I know someone that might be buying the Magic Bullet software, so I might kick in a $1,000 extra for the HD version. They sell a SD for $1,000 and the HD for $2,000 - I imagine the HD version does SD too. If it doesn't they're being pains-in-the-butts about it! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 10th, 2004, 09:34 PM	#5
Bernard Ryan New Boot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 21	55mm plug ins Hi, I use 55mm plug ins with my HD1 after i have converted the footage to quicktime.. They make a HUGE difference but works best used with subtle settings.. Thought about Magic Bullet but was to expensive, 55mm does SD & HD for same cheap price.. Download the demo and try it.. bernie Cyber City Films Sydney Australia __________________ Bernard Ryan Director Cyber City Films Sydney Australia

January 12th, 2004, 02:43 PM	#6
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	55mm plug ins Bernard wrote: >>>I use 55mm plug ins with my HD1 after i have converted the footage to quicktime..>>> Bernard, Can you post samples of your results? Have you viewed the results on a DVD? Thanks, Brian

January 10th, 2004, 09:21 AM	#4
Mark Jervis Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 66	The HD version is resolution independent. The SD version is resolution dependent up to 720x480. I have worked with Magic Bullet HD with the HD10 on a few sample clips but would like to go out and shoot some stuff specifically for Magic Bullet. The footage I have run through magic bullet looks pretty good. It all depends on your orinigal footage. Magic Bullet cannot make bad footage look good but can help make good footage look better.

January 12th, 2004, 03:43 PM	#7
Paul St. Denis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stony Brook NY Posts: 169	trbarry has a free filter "addGrain" for avisynth that he has used on a JVC HD camera. He has an example still here http://mywebpages.comcast.net/trbarry/downloads.htm

January 12th, 2004, 03:59 PM	#8
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	I can see the grain in the trbarry photo. However, it would really be cool to see a full clip of it. It's really had to see what that would add to a clip without seeing it. Any chance of posting a little clip? I'll download the addgrain.zip file when I get home from work, so I can also try it. Thanks! Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 12th, 2004, 06:32 PM	#9
Paul St. Denis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stony Brook NY Posts: 169	I am not a cinematographer but I will see what I can do.

January 16th, 2004, 05:42 PM	#10
Paul St. Denis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stony Brook NY Posts: 169	Here is footage of the Golden Gate Bridge shot by Paul Mogg. I ran it through addgrain, using (120,0,.9) as parameters http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HD_s...ridgeGrain.wmv (9 Meg Windows Media) Maybe I applied too much grain? I think original footage looks better. http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HD_samples/GGBridge.wmv

January 16th, 2004, 05:54 PM	#11
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Paul, it looks like the addgrain one has a darker tone. I'm not on the greatest monitor at this moment, but that's what I see. Maybe adding grain to MPEG2 footage isn't a great idea because it already has grain in a way. I'm thinking that smoothing out the footage might help more than adding grain. What do you think? I just got my final piece of equipment (a nice tripod), so I'll be finally able to shoot some HD10u stuff and share. I wish there was an online storage place for footage...we need one! Maybe we can add some to archive.org - that seems to be free. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 17th, 2004, 05:17 PM	#12
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	I think that the HD1OU naturally has a grainy film-like look to it due to the MPEG2 compression, so adding grain is not a really good idea. What I'd like to find is a good filter for FCP that would smooth out the the MPEG compression noise arifacts seen in flat areas of color. This is my biggest bug with the camera, it's not really noticeable in busy scenes, but I really notice it in blue skies and expanses of water, that sort of thing. __________________ Paul

January 18th, 2004, 01:58 AM	#13
Paul St. Denis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stony Brook NY Posts: 169	Avisynth has a denoiser that I will try on Monday. Avisynth is nice, too bad they don't have it for the Mac. Has anyone tried "Joe's Noise Reducer"? http://www.joesfilters.com/joesnoisereducer.php

January 20th, 2004, 06:20 PM	#14
Paul St. Denis Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stony Brook NY Posts: 169	Here is the footage sent through an avisynth chroma and temporal denoiser http://www.celt.sunysb.edu/paul/HD_s...dgecleaned.wmv I do notice a difference in the hazy portions in the top corners

February 11th, 2004, 05:05 PM	#15
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	So is it safe to assume that you can use Magic Bullet's Look Suite with HD10 footage?