PC/HDV editing solutions, links and more

Wolfgang Schmid · August 13th, 2005, 04:10 AM

Yes, womble is a good solution, as long as you do not use the encoder very extensively (because the encoder is poor).

But to cut out advertising from an dvb card - with hard cuts - and render the movie to a new file, is terrible fast, since this tool does not encode at all with hard cuts.

Jeff Baker · September 28th, 2005, 06:38 PM

Um, on the cheap hardward for HDV sided I am looking into this tiger direct model that configures for $1360 with the AMD 64 X2 4400 cpu, 512MB, 74gb 10k drive, DVD dual layerl and ati video card with hdtv out. This is a barebones system that has pci-express that I am going in integrate with drives and memory from my current 3.2 intel system.

Then I am lookting at the new Proton (not Protron) 37" lcd native 1920 x 1080p monitor for video out for under $2000. I already have a 20" lcd for editing so I just need a presentation monitor.

This is the cheapest upgrade to pci-express I have come up with. Has anyone else seen a good upgrade path to a pci-x solution for HDV monitor out?

Ron Evans · September 29th, 2005, 07:04 AM

Well you could put a much better system together yourself. I am in Canada and in Canadian dollars for $1700 you could build the following:- Antec TX1050B case with 500w supply, Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra 9, AMD 4400+, 1G Corsair Twin Ram, Seagate 120G boot drive, WD 200G SATA2 storage, Saffire Radeaon X700 256m PCie and LG4163B burner. Look at www.Shoprbc.com for prices here in Ottawa, they only charge a little more to assemble and provide warranty. I think that 1G RAM is minimum more is better, boot drive speed is not very cricital, having more drives for storage of video is better too, a couple of SATA2 drives in RAID 0 would be good.

Ron Evans

Jeff Baker · September 29th, 2005, 04:42 PM

Sounds like a sweet deal Ron, Thanks!
Yes I have some parts from my non pci express system which is why I don't need all the memory or video drives. But I DO want a 500w power supply if it is quiet and a good DVD burner as well instead of some oem unknown brand.

I'll look into the site you listed. Thanks again.

Sean McHenry · October 28th, 2005, 09:30 AM

The current version of Xpress Pro HD, 5.2 will in fact bring in HDV via 1394, edit and send back to a tape via 1394.

It's on the web site at http://www.avid.com/

We have tested this and we are able to capture from the new JVC camera and lay back to tape. We captured via 1394, did some simple edits and effects and sent the video to a file (a bit of a drawback). From there you can lay back to tape through the Avid interface. It will ask you for the m2t file you wish to lay off to the deck. Note there is, as far as we could see, no way to lay back to a specific TC on the tape. That is, we did a simple "crash" record on the deck and it went to tape.

We did need to render the timeline out and save it to the PC as a file. Then take the file to tape.

The timeline was quite snappy. All in all, it is workable.

We even got it to use the Mojo as a confidence monitor in SD.

Sean McHenry

Joe Womble · November 26th, 2005, 08:02 PM

Glad to hear you were able to get the JVC working, Sean. Avid doesn't officially support the JVC yet, and folks are getting the camera to work on a case-by-case basis. Expect support from Avid soon.

But you can ingest and edit HDV, DVCPro, DVCPro HD, DV, DVCAM and more in the same timeline without any rendering in Avid. In fact, you can edit multicam from different resolutions in the same timeline without rendering, as well.

Avid has a great codec for saving out the files. They call it DNxHD. It is a gorgeous mastering codec that holds up really well. Looks uncompressed but has the footprint of SD.

I'm running all of this on a laptop as well as a workstation. It behaves amazingly well. Looking forward to the HVX200 from Panasonic...I really want to record directly into Avid on the laptop at DVCPro HD resolution with just a firewire.

Regards,

Joe Womble

Baris Hanci · January 7th, 2007, 08:45 PM

I will shoot a short movie with a sony fx-1 and edit it on premiere pro 2.0. I hope there is no problem with that?

I did not edit any hd video before, is there something that I should know about it?

How do you export an hd timeline? I know how to make a dvd with dv but how do you it with hd?

Thank you...

Melanie Pake · May 14th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Can anyone offer some advice on where I can go for the best HD hardware solutions for Adobe Premiere Pro in Australia- Brisbane especially? Will also require Servicing of the hardware.

John Haskins · December 14th, 2007, 12:02 PM

hi, folks. i am interested in some places that sell a totally-ready hdv or similar hd format - pc nle (etc) solution. I know 'Boxxtech' sells systems with Adobe Premiere Pro on them, but beyond them - who are they and what do they offer in terms of a total-ready hdv solution? I guess 'Canopus Edius' has these too. What about Newtek Speed Edit bundled into a pc based solution? Any other great solution providers for HDV, DV?
I am not looking to build my own pc from scratch, but to potentially buy a total pc-based solution - no quirks, no bugs - ready to roll. With a software/hardware package that is fairly easy, very clean and ready to go!

THANKS for any input!

August 13th, 2005, 04:10 AM	#31
Wolfgang Schmid Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna/Austria Posts: 152	Yes, womble is a good solution, as long as you do not use the encoder very extensively (because the encoder is poor). But to cut out advertising from an dvb card - with hard cuts - and render the movie to a new file, is terrible fast, since this tool does not encode at all with hard cuts. __________________ Kind regards, Wolfgang http://videotreffpunkt.com http://www.vegasvideo.de/forum

September 28th, 2005, 06:38 PM	#32
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Um, on the cheap hardward for HDV sided I am looking into this tiger direct model that configures for $1360 with the AMD 64 X2 4400 cpu, 512MB, 74gb 10k drive, DVD dual layerl and ati video card with hdtv out. This is a barebones system that has pci-express that I am going in integrate with drives and memory from my current 3.2 intel system. Then I am lookting at the new Proton (not Protron) 37" lcd native 1920 x 1080p monitor for video out for under $2000. I already have a 20" lcd for editing so I just need a presentation monitor. This is the cheapest upgrade to pci-express I have come up with. Has anyone else seen a good upgrade path to a pci-x solution for HDV monitor out? __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

September 29th, 2005, 04:42 PM	#34
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Sounds like a sweet deal Ron, Thanks! Yes I have some parts from my non pci express system which is why I don't need all the memory or video drives. But I DO want a 500w power supply if it is quiet and a good DVD burner as well instead of some oem unknown brand. I'll look into the site you listed. Thanks again. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

October 28th, 2005, 09:30 AM	#35
Sean McHenry Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 1,193	Avid and HDV - Finally! The current version of Xpress Pro HD, 5.2 will in fact bring in HDV via 1394, edit and send back to a tape via 1394. It's on the web site at http://www.avid.com/ We have tested this and we are able to capture from the new JVC camera and lay back to tape. We captured via 1394, did some simple edits and effects and sent the video to a file (a bit of a drawback). From there you can lay back to tape through the Avid interface. It will ask you for the m2t file you wish to lay off to the deck. Note there is, as far as we could see, no way to lay back to a specific TC on the tape. That is, we did a simple "crash" record on the deck and it went to tape. We did need to render the timeline out and save it to the PC as a file. Then take the file to tape. The timeline was quite snappy. All in all, it is workable. We even got it to use the Mojo as a confidence monitor in SD. Sean McHenry __________________ ‘I don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m shooting on D.V.’ - my hero - David Lynch http://www.DeepBlueEdit.com

January 7th, 2007, 08:45 PM	#37
Baris Hanci New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 10	fx-1 and premiere pro2 I will shoot a short movie with a sony fx-1 and edit it on premiere pro 2.0. I hope there is no problem with that? I did not edit any hd video before, is there something that I should know about it? How do you export an hd timeline? I know how to make a dvd with dv but how do you it with hd? Thank you...

September 29th, 2005, 07:04 AM	#33
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	Well you could put a much better system together yourself. I am in Canada and in Canadian dollars for $1700 you could build the following:- Antec TX1050B case with 500w supply, Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra 9, AMD 4400+, 1G Corsair Twin Ram, Seagate 120G boot drive, WD 200G SATA2 storage, Saffire Radeaon X700 256m PCie and LG4163B burner. Look at www.Shoprbc.com for prices here in Ottawa, they only charge a little more to assemble and provide warranty. I think that 1G RAM is minimum more is better, boot drive speed is not very cricital, having more drives for storage of video is better too, a couple of SATA2 drives in RAID 0 would be good. Ron Evans

November 26th, 2005, 08:02 PM	#36
Joe Womble New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13	Glad to hear you were able to get the JVC working, Sean. Avid doesn't officially support the JVC yet, and folks are getting the camera to work on a case-by-case basis. Expect support from Avid soon. But you can ingest and edit HDV, DVCPro, DVCPro HD, DV, DVCAM and more in the same timeline without any rendering in Avid. In fact, you can edit multicam from different resolutions in the same timeline without rendering, as well. Avid has a great codec for saving out the files. They call it DNxHD. It is a gorgeous mastering codec that holds up really well. Looks uncompressed but has the footprint of SD. I'm running all of this on a laptop as well as a workstation. It behaves amazingly well. Looking forward to the HVX200 from Panasonic...I really want to record directly into Avid on the laptop at DVCPro HD resolution with just a firewire. Regards, Joe Womble

May 14th, 2007, 10:26 PM	#38
Melanie Pake New Boot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea Posts: 11	Wanting to Upgrade to HD. Looking for Australian Companies. Can anyone offer some advice on where I can go for the best HD hardware solutions for Adobe Premiere Pro in Australia- Brisbane especially? Will also require Servicing of the hardware.

December 14th, 2007, 12:02 PM	#39
John Haskins Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Byron Center, MI Posts: 29	interested in total turnkey pc hdv nle solution... hi, folks. i am interested in some places that sell a totally-ready hdv or similar hd format - pc nle (etc) solution. I know 'Boxxtech' sells systems with Adobe Premiere Pro on them, but beyond them - who are they and what do they offer in terms of a total-ready hdv solution? I guess 'Canopus Edius' has these too. What about Newtek Speed Edit bundled into a pc based solution? Any other great solution providers for HDV, DV? I am not looking to build my own pc from scratch, but to potentially buy a total pc-based solution - no quirks, no bugs - ready to roll. With a software/hardware package that is fairly easy, very clean and ready to go! THANKS for any input!