4HDV for Mac owners with HD1/HD10's is Shipping! at DVinfo.net

Steve Mullen · September 2nd, 2003, 08:03 PM

After a LABOR filled Labor Day weekend, I started "shipping" 4HDV last night.

Some copies went to list members who hopefully will post feedback here. It could be awhile as the 2 Guides have well over 60 pages!

NOTE: After weeks of work, I still have not been able to eliminate the need for a Heuris MPEG-2 Encoder for those who want to record to D-VHS from FCP. I guess that's why Heuris has been able to charge $5000 for an HD MPEG-2 Encoder. :)

Also, Heuris still has not released their $600 FCP plug-in that will record to D-VHS. My hope is that they are trying to get their FCP plug-in to support recording to an HDV camcorder.

And, unless Heuris can figure-out how to record FCP EDITED HDV to an HDV camcorder, we Mac owners can't use a camcorder as a RECORDING device for EDITED productions. Of course, this follows JVC's intention that D-VHS is the correct distribution media. Nevertheless, I'm still going to keep trying.

Two last minute additions to 4HDV:

1) A Chapter on using anamorphic NTSC within an SD and HD FCP production. Now you can use the DVCAM, DVCPRO25, DVCPRO50 material you shot with your expensive 3-chip native 16:9 camcorder! Of course, you can also work with "electronic anamorphic" from 4:3 CCDs or 4:3 CCD cameras with an anamorphic lens.

2) I didn't want to buy Toast for $80! So, I added instructions to 4HDV on how to burn letterboxed and anamorphic DVDs without either Toast or iDVD. That means FireWire DVD burners are are supported. So don't Toast, burn with 4HDV!

Jose Cavazos · September 2nd, 2003, 08:25 PM

Steve,
I am interested in your guide, but I have PC with Premiere. I should be getting Aspect HD soon. Are you working on a PC package, or do you have your guide without the software at a discounted price?

Darren Kelly · September 2nd, 2003, 09:32 PM

"And, unless Heuris can figure-out how to record FCP EDITED HDV to an HDV camcorder, we Mac owners can't use a camcorder as a RECORDING device for EDITED productions. Of course, this follows JVC's intention that D-VHS is the correct distribution media. Nevertheless, I'm still going to keep trying."

Does this mean that once we import and edit the footage in FCP, we can't export or print to any format?

Does it mean all we can do is convert to 480i and burn to DVD

DBK

Steve Mullen · September 2nd, 2003, 09:45 PM

1) I'm thinking of something for PC owners.

2) To record to D-VHS you need one of the Heuris MPEG-2 encoders. Seems like Heuris has the Mac market locked which is why they are able to charge $5000 for one! For them, $600 is very cheap.

And anyone who's got customers for HD on D-VHS, shouldn't really find $600 all that expensive.

Of course, many of us watch HD on our widescreen Macs. No need to purchse D-VHS.

Paul Mogg · September 3rd, 2003, 12:03 PM

Steve. can you please summarize for us the work flow for editing under FCP with your package?, how you use the utilities etc. It sounds very interesting, and I would like to try it, but I'm not clear on how it would work exactly.

Many thanks

Steve Mullen · September 3rd, 2003, 01:22 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Mogg : Steve. can you please summarize for us the work flow for editing under FCP with your package? -->>>

1. Capture HDV via FireWire on your Mac
2. Prepare Audio and Video for FCP
3. Real-Time Edit Using FCP 3 or 4

THEN

4. Export an MPEG-2 Movie from FCP Using a Heuris MPEG-2 Encoder to D-VHS

AND/OR

4. Export a Movie from FCP
5. Convert the Movie to an MPEG-2 HD Movie
6. Play HD Movie on a Mac or PC
7. Create and Burn a Letterbox or Anamorphic DVD

There's more detail at my site and 30+ pages in the Production Guide.

Heath McKnight · September 3rd, 2003, 01:46 PM

Steve,

When you order the guide for $100, do you get both 30 page + guides and the software, or just one guide?

heath

Steve Mullen · September 3rd, 2003, 03:02 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : Steve,

When you order the guide for $100, do you get both 30 page + guides and the software, or just one guide?

heath -->>>

You get both Guides:

* The HD1/HD10 Shooting Guide--whichg includes a Chapter on PC and Mac Editing

* The OS X HDV Production Guide

+ the software for OS X FCP users

Heath McKnight · September 3rd, 2003, 03:04 PM

Cool. Even though it's a nice price, I'm awaiting some extra cash to roll in. Ah, the life of a filmmaking, TV creative services producing, President of a Film Society, full time student. Man, I'm dumb... ;-)

heath

Paul Mogg · September 3rd, 2003, 06:22 PM

Could you expand on step 2 please?

"2. Prepare Audio and Video for FCP"

What format are you converting to?, or what preparation is necessary to enable editing in FCP?, and how do you convert to that format?

Thanks

Steve Mullen · September 3rd, 2003, 08:44 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Mogg : Could you expand on step 2 please?

"2. Prepare Audio and Video for FCP"

-->>>

As I said before, there is more detail in the Production Guide's Chapter list on my site. And, of course, the OS X HDV Production Guide itself provides step-by-step instructions in 3 Chapters.

The bottom-line, for those who purchase 4HDV, is editing in real-time with FCP v3 or v4. Assuming you already are using FCP, you'll continue to edit in the same real-time way: transitions, filters, titles, etc.

And, while you don't need v4 to edit in real-time, v4 offers the potential for more real-time video streams than v3.

Darren Kelly · September 3rd, 2003, 11:47 PM

Steve,

We're not trying to kill you sales here, but rather to confirm things work.

Throw us a bone please, or get a user to post something.

We just want to be customers

DBK

Steve Mullen · September 4th, 2003, 01:25 AM

<<<-- ... but rather to confirm things work. DBK -->>>

Somehow, I suspect that reading more "steps" won't be a solution to your doubts. :)

<<-- ... get a user to post something.-->>

Folks got 4HDV on Monday. It seems a bit premature to expect them to write a review by Weds! I work with a product a month or more before writing a review. And, to do it right takes a lot of work--and time.

Moreover, many have been waiting to edit their HDV material. I suspect that this is their priority right now.

Darren Kelly · September 4th, 2003, 09:51 AM

What we're looking for is a yes it works kind of posting. I've been successful kind of posting, or this doesn't do it kind of posting.

That shouldn't take toooooo long to achieve

DBK

Jose Cavazos · September 4th, 2003, 09:51 AM

Steve,
How much would your HD1/HD10 Shooting Guide by itself cost?

September 2nd, 2003, 08:03 PM	#1
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	4HDV for Mac owners with HD1/HD10's is Shipping! After a LABOR filled Labor Day weekend, I started "shipping" 4HDV last night. Some copies went to list members who hopefully will post feedback here. It could be awhile as the 2 Guides have well over 60 pages! NOTE: After weeks of work, I still have not been able to eliminate the need for a Heuris MPEG-2 Encoder for those who want to record to D-VHS from FCP. I guess that's why Heuris has been able to charge $5000 for an HD MPEG-2 Encoder. :) Also, Heuris still has not released their $600 FCP plug-in that will record to D-VHS. My hope is that they are trying to get their FCP plug-in to support recording to an HDV camcorder. And, unless Heuris can figure-out how to record FCP EDITED HDV to an HDV camcorder, we Mac owners can't use a camcorder as a RECORDING device for EDITED productions. Of course, this follows JVC's intention that D-VHS is the correct distribution media. Nevertheless, I'm still going to keep trying. Two last minute additions to 4HDV: 1) A Chapter on using anamorphic NTSC within an SD and HD FCP production. Now you can use the DVCAM, DVCPRO25, DVCPRO50 material you shot with your expensive 3-chip native 16:9 camcorder! Of course, you can also work with "electronic anamorphic" from 4:3 CCDs or 4:3 CCD cameras with an anamorphic lens. 2) I didn't want to buy Toast for $80! So, I added instructions to 4HDV on how to burn letterboxed and anamorphic DVDs without either Toast or iDVD. That means FireWire DVD burners are are supported. So don't Toast, burn with 4HDV! __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 2nd, 2003, 09:45 PM	#4
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	1) I'm thinking of something for PC owners. 2) To record to D-VHS you need one of the Heuris MPEG-2 encoders. Seems like Heuris has the Mac market locked which is why they are able to charge $5000 for one! For them, $600 is very cheap. And anyone who's got customers for HD on D-VHS, shouldn't really find $600 all that expensive. Of course, many of us watch HD on our widescreen Macs. No need to purchse D-VHS. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 3rd, 2003, 12:03 PM	#5
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	Steve. can you please summarize for us the work flow for editing under FCP with your package?, how you use the utilities etc. It sounds very interesting, and I would like to try it, but I'm not clear on how it would work exactly. Many thanks __________________ Paul

September 3rd, 2003, 01:22 PM	#6
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Mogg : Steve. can you please summarize for us the work flow for editing under FCP with your package? -->>> 1. Capture HDV via FireWire on your Mac 2. Prepare Audio and Video for FCP 3. Real-Time Edit Using FCP 3 or 4 THEN 4. Export an MPEG-2 Movie from FCP Using a Heuris MPEG-2 Encoder to D-VHS AND/OR 4. Export a Movie from FCP 5. Convert the Movie to an MPEG-2 HD Movie 6. Play HD Movie on a Mac or PC 7. Create and Burn a Letterbox or Anamorphic DVD There's more detail at my site and 30+ pages in the Production Guide. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 3rd, 2003, 01:46 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Steve, When you order the guide for $100, do you get both 30 page + guides and the software, or just one guide? heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 2nd, 2003, 08:25 PM	#2
Jose Cavazos Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 38	Steve, I am interested in your guide, but I have PC with Premiere. I should be getting Aspect HD soon. Are you working on a PC package, or do you have your guide without the software at a discounted price?

September 2nd, 2003, 09:32 PM	#3
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	"And, unless Heuris can figure-out how to record FCP EDITED HDV to an HDV camcorder, we Mac owners can't use a camcorder as a RECORDING device for EDITED productions. Of course, this follows JVC's intention that D-VHS is the correct distribution media. Nevertheless, I'm still going to keep trying." Does this mean that once we import and edit the footage in FCP, we can't export or print to any format? Does it mean all we can do is convert to 480i and burn to DVD DBK

September 3rd, 2003, 03:02 PM	#8
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : Steve, When you order the guide for $100, do you get both 30 page + guides and the software, or just one guide? heath -->>> You get both Guides: * The HD1/HD10 Shooting Guide--whichg includes a Chapter on PC and Mac Editing * The OS X HDV Production Guide + the software for OS X FCP users __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 3rd, 2003, 03:04 PM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Cool. Even though it's a nice price, I'm awaiting some extra cash to roll in. Ah, the life of a filmmaking, TV creative services producing, President of a Film Society, full time student. Man, I'm dumb... ;-) heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 3rd, 2003, 06:22 PM	#10
Paul Mogg Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 386	Could you expand on step 2 please? "2. Prepare Audio and Video for FCP" What format are you converting to?, or what preparation is necessary to enable editing in FCP?, and how do you convert to that format? Thanks __________________ Paul

September 3rd, 2003, 08:44 PM	#11
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Mogg : Could you expand on step 2 please? "2. Prepare Audio and Video for FCP" -->>> As I said before, there is more detail in the Production Guide's Chapter list on my site. And, of course, the OS X HDV Production Guide itself provides step-by-step instructions in 3 Chapters. The bottom-line, for those who purchase 4HDV, is editing in real-time with FCP v3 or v4. Assuming you already are using FCP, you'll continue to edit in the same real-time way: transitions, filters, titles, etc. And, while you don't need v4 to edit in real-time, v4 offers the potential for more real-time video streams than v3. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 3rd, 2003, 11:47 PM	#12
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	Steve, We're not trying to kill you sales here, but rather to confirm things work. Throw us a bone please, or get a user to post something. We just want to be customers DBK

September 4th, 2003, 01:25 AM	#13
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	<<<-- ... but rather to confirm things work. DBK -->>> Somehow, I suspect that reading more "steps" won't be a solution to your doubts. :) <<-- ... get a user to post something.-->> Folks got 4HDV on Monday. It seems a bit premature to expect them to write a review by Weds! I work with a product a month or more before writing a review. And, to do it right takes a lot of work--and time. Moreover, many have been waiting to edit their HDV material. I suspect that this is their priority right now. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 4th, 2003, 09:51 AM	#14
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	What we're looking for is a yes it works kind of posting. I've been successful kind of posting, or this doesn't do it kind of posting. That shouldn't take toooooo long to achieve DBK