I tried Edius today at DVinfo.net

Mark Williams · October 14th, 2006, 11:00 AM

First let me say that I have used Premiere 6.5 for the last 3 years and its all I know but know it well. It does the job but I am moving up to the HVX200 and am going to shoot DVCPRO50 (won't work on 6.5 and Matrox RT2500) so I thought I would try out a few editing demos to see what I liked best. Well, I messed around with Liquid and couldn't get comfortable with it. Then last week I tried the demo version of Edius 4 (software only) on my low end 3.0ghz dual core Dell with low end video card and no RT card. Installation was smooth and I was up and doing basic editing within 30 minutes with no crashes. Everything ran really fast and realtime. I read up on doing a few tweaks in the setup to make it look more like Premiere and so far so good. What is taking me a little time getting used to is putting all the video clips on one V1 track then applying the transitions vs. in Premiere using two video tracks, overlapping and placing the transition on the transition track.

Anyone else have any opinons on Edius4?

Regards,

David Andrews · October 14th, 2006, 11:53 AM

Places to find help:
http://www.canopus.com/support/tutorials/EDIUS.php
http://www.videoproductions.com.au/
http://www.ediustips.com/

The last of these is a former Premiere user, so it may be be a good place to start.

Hank Bridgeman · October 14th, 2006, 02:41 PM

"What is taking me a little time getting used to is putting all the video clips on one V1 track then applying the transitions vs. in Premiere using two video tracks, overlapping and placing the transition on the transition track."

Mark,

You should be able to do the same as with Premier. Just have one clip on V1 and another clip on V2 overlaped and drag your transition on to V2

Mark Williams · October 14th, 2006, 04:40 PM

Ah, got it.

Thanks,

Mark Williams · October 15th, 2006, 01:08 PM

Moving along editing using SD and HDV clips with the demo and it works silky smooth. Tried to use some .mxf DVCPRO50 files though and the demo does not seem to recognize them. Does anyone know if this capability was disabled in the demo version. This is what I really wanted to test out.

Ron Evans · October 15th, 2006, 07:59 PM

You will need Edius Broadcast to edit DVCPro50 or HD, DVCPRo P2, Varicam and XDCAM.

Ron Evans

Mark Williams · October 16th, 2006, 04:23 PM

What type AC3 plugin are you folks using with Edius?

Randy Donato · November 8th, 2006, 08:04 PM

Canopus has been negotiating for years to get the licensing worked out and right now edius will take ac3 on the TL(if you have a decoder) but not export to it....hoping with Procoder they will get there. For now we have to use some other app like Encore to encode to it.

Mark Williams · November 9th, 2006, 07:47 AM

I think its really odd that Edius dosen't have AC3 capability. This is a feature that essential to obtaining higher video encoding rates. Without AC3 you are stuck with using PCM audio for DVD masters which are hugh file sizes. IMO AC3 is a professional feature that is a "must have".

Randy Donato · November 9th, 2006, 08:16 AM

I agree, and so does Canopus but they just can't get the licensing deal done.Also I never use .wav on a DVD and have several apps like Encore that can take the .wav to ac3 so while it is an inconveinance it is not true that you are stuck with .wav.

Mark Williams · November 9th, 2006, 09:53 AM

Good point Randy. Encore is a good work around but I don't have the $$ for it. Edius 4 is really growing on me and the AC3 feature integrated into the program IMO would make it outstanding. If others can get AC3 licensed I just don't understand how a company such as Canopus could let this fall to the wayside.

My current system is Premiere 6.5 with a Dolby AC3 plug-in but I can only edit SD . However, I am researching the best path to be able to edit video shot with the HVX200 which I hope to have early next year thus my interest in Edius 4 broadcast.

Paul Wags · November 12th, 2006, 01:11 AM

Hey Mark
Glad to see you are enjoying Edius.
AC3 is a bummer but encode out the audio track and run it through a AC3 encoder.

Over here in PAL land our DVD players play mpeg audio so no big deal if you have not got AC3.

Today I put a DV file into Pro Coder Express, set it to encode to vobs then once done it burn't it to a DVD. Easy as in one simple go.

Andrew Clark · November 18th, 2006, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Williams

My current system is Premiere 6.5 with a Dolby AC3 plug-in but I can only edit SD . However, I am researching the best path to be able to edit video shot with the HVX200 which I hope to have early next year thus my interest in Edius 4 broadcast.

Mark -

Depending on your budget, you may want to look into the Adobe Production Bundles...or if you don't need the entire bundle, buy the apps you need. Don't know if they allow you to upgrade from 6.5 to the bundles, but you may want to look into that route.

Be aware though, w/Premiere Pro, you need a third party app like Raylight or Cineform to convert the MXF / P2 data to be able to edit it. You may want to check out the DVXuser forum for more info. regarding that.

From what I've read, it seems like Edius Broadcast 4 is "the" app for MXF / P2 material...and for that matter HDV, XDCam, and so on.

Good luck in your search!!

Ted Ramasola · November 19th, 2006, 02:04 AM

I must agree on the weakness of Edius in the audio area in general and not just its lack of ac3 codec.
As a work around, after editing the video and audio in EDIUS 4, i took care that audio tracks were organized well; ie; track 1 for voice only, track 2 for stereo music in wv format. track 3 to 4 for foley or sound effects.
I then exported each track as separated wav files.

I exported an 720p HQ video file from edius.

I opened premier, loaded the HQ video and the separate audio tracks so i can mix and export a dolby 5.1 surround ac3 file for our DVD authoring files and an HD 720P wmv HD file with 6 channel audio track for DLP cinema and theatrical projection.

P.S. Ulead DVD workshop 2.2 supports audio in pcm or wav. Its just in stereo.

Hope this helps.

Mark Williams · November 19th, 2006, 05:41 AM

Ted,

Thanks for the advice. It's just weird to me to find a little gem of a program like Edius that has one feature missing (AC3) that keeps it from being "great". You would think the Canopus/Grass Valley bunch would see the light.

Regards,

October 14th, 2006, 11:00 AM	#1
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	I tried Edius today First let me say that I have used Premiere 6.5 for the last 3 years and its all I know but know it well. It does the job but I am moving up to the HVX200 and am going to shoot DVCPRO50 (won't work on 6.5 and Matrox RT2500) so I thought I would try out a few editing demos to see what I liked best. Well, I messed around with Liquid and couldn't get comfortable with it. Then last week I tried the demo version of Edius 4 (software only) on my low end 3.0ghz dual core Dell with low end video card and no RT card. Installation was smooth and I was up and doing basic editing within 30 minutes with no crashes. Everything ran really fast and realtime. I read up on doing a few tweaks in the setup to make it look more like Premiere and so far so good. What is taking me a little time getting used to is putting all the video clips on one V1 track then applying the transitions vs. in Premiere using two video tracks, overlapping and placing the transition on the transition track. Anyone else have any opinons on Edius4? Regards, __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29

October 14th, 2006, 04:40 PM	#4
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Ah, got it. Thanks, __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29

October 15th, 2006, 01:08 PM	#5
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Moving along editing using SD and HDV clips with the demo and it works silky smooth. Tried to use some .mxf DVCPRO50 files though and the demo does not seem to recognize them. Does anyone know if this capability was disabled in the demo version. This is what I really wanted to test out. __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29 Last edited by Mark Williams; October 15th, 2006 at 06:33 PM.

October 16th, 2006, 04:23 PM	#7
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	What type AC3 plugin are you folks using with Edius? __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29

November 9th, 2006, 07:47 AM	#9
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	I think its really odd that Edius dosen't have AC3 capability. This is a feature that essential to obtaining higher video encoding rates. Without AC3 you are stuck with using PCM audio for DVD masters which are hugh file sizes. IMO AC3 is a professional feature that is a "must have". __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29

October 14th, 2006, 11:53 AM	#2
David Andrews Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 131	Places to find help: http://www.canopus.com/support/tutorials/EDIUS.php http://www.videoproductions.com.au/ http://www.ediustips.com/ The last of these is a former Premiere user, so it may be be a good place to start.

October 14th, 2006, 02:41 PM	#3
Hank Bridgeman New Boot Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dawson Creek, BC Canada Posts: 15	"What is taking me a little time getting used to is putting all the video clips on one V1 track then applying the transitions vs. in Premiere using two video tracks, overlapping and placing the transition on the transition track." Mark, You should be able to do the same as with Premier. Just have one clip on V1 and another clip on V2 overlaped and drag your transition on to V2

October 15th, 2006, 07:59 PM	#6
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	You will need Edius Broadcast to edit DVCPro50 or HD, DVCPRo P2, Varicam and XDCAM. Ron Evans

November 8th, 2006, 08:04 PM	#8
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	Canopus has been negotiating for years to get the licensing worked out and right now edius will take ac3 on the TL(if you have a decoder) but not export to it....hoping with Procoder they will get there. For now we have to use some other app like Encore to encode to it.

November 9th, 2006, 08:16 AM	#10
Randy Donato Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138	I agree, and so does Canopus but they just can't get the licensing deal done.Also I never use .wav on a DVD and have several apps like Encore that can take the .wav to ac3 so while it is an inconveinance it is not true that you are stuck with .wav.

November 9th, 2006, 09:53 AM	#11
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Good point Randy. Encore is a good work around but I don't have the $$ for it. Edius 4 is really growing on me and the AC3 feature integrated into the program IMO would make it outstanding. If others can get AC3 licensed I just don't understand how a company such as Canopus could let this fall to the wayside. My current system is Premiere 6.5 with a Dolby AC3 plug-in but I can only edit SD . However, I am researching the best path to be able to edit video shot with the HVX200 which I hope to have early next year thus my interest in Edius 4 broadcast. __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29

November 12th, 2006, 01:11 AM	#12
Paul Wags Ruler of the DownUnder UnderWorld Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Cairns- Queensland - Australia Posts: 248	Hey Mark Glad to see you are enjoying Edius. AC3 is a bummer but encode out the audio track and run it through a AC3 encoder. Over here in PAL land our DVD players play mpeg audio so no big deal if you have not got AC3. Today I put a DV file into Pro Coder Express, set it to encode to vobs then once done it burn't it to a DVD. Easy as in one simple go.

November 19th, 2006, 02:04 AM	#14
Ted Ramasola Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Allen, Texas U.S.A Posts: 1,117	I must agree on the weakness of Edius in the audio area in general and not just its lack of ac3 codec. As a work around, after editing the video and audio in EDIUS 4, i took care that audio tracks were organized well; ie; track 1 for voice only, track 2 for stereo music in wv format. track 3 to 4 for foley or sound effects. I then exported each track as separated wav files. I exported an 720p HQ video file from edius. I opened premier, loaded the HQ video and the separate audio tracks so i can mix and export a dolby 5.1 surround ac3 file for our DVD authoring files and an HD 720P wmv HD file with 6 channel audio track for DLP cinema and theatrical projection. P.S. Ulead DVD workshop 2.2 supports audio in pcm or wav. Its just in stereo. Hope this helps.

November 19th, 2006, 05:41 AM	#15
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Ted, Thanks for the advice. It's just weird to me to find a little gem of a program like Edius that has one feature missing (AC3) that keeps it from being "great". You would think the Canopus/Grass Valley bunch would see the light. Regards, __________________ Mark videos: http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 Stock: http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29