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June 1st, 2006, 03:13 PM | #1 |
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Matrox RX10/100, Canopus EDIUS DVX
Would you buy one of the above produvts today? If your main goal was editing standard DV 720x576?
They are all reasonable priced today. And some realtime colorcorrection and noise reduction is nice. My AMD X2 4600+ delivers good, but as soon as you apply 2 or 3 filters on a clip it sloooows down. I see two problems with the cards: 1. They do not work with Vegas 2. It seems like there are only drivers for PPro 1.5 availabe? Anyone running the cards with PPro 2.0? I guess I could learn to love Edius, but it would require a serious amount of Whisky :-) Time to hit the sack! ps. OT: I bought CCE Basic, it has plugin support for PPro 1.5, will it work with 2.0? and in which folder do I install it? ds. //Lazze
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Yes, CCE Basic works with PPro 2.0. When i bought it the installer did not install to PPro 2.0 automatically. Install it to another folder and copy the plug-in to C:\Program\Adobe\Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0\Plug-ins\en_US
Yes, Matrox RT.X-cards work with Premiere only. Matrox has not released drivers for PPro 2.0 yet. They say drivers will be released in june. If you buy a Matrox card, be prepared for trouble. They are sometimes tricky to get working perfectly and is in fact designed for Premiere 6.5 (or 6.0?) and many functions in PPro dont even work when editing a Matrox project. I used a RT.X10, basicly a RT.X100 with fewer functions, and i dont use it anymore. I got tired of all product limitations and reversed field order etc. I did not save time by using the card, its faster for me to edit Standard DV Projects. So if you buy one, then you will have to buy a serious amount of whiskey... So my answer is no, i would not buy a Matrox RT.X100 today. How long will Matrox provide the card with drivers? PPro 2.0 was released jan 2006 and Matrox has not released any drivers for PPro 2.0 yet, only two Preview Releases so far. Thats a hint... Anyhow, it is a great card when it works but it is loaded with to many flaws that tricky drivers that easily crash the computer and thus causes irritation and takes time to solve the problem. (Sometimes the problem is the card itself and can not be solved...) I prefer to edit than to trying to find what causes the error "Updating Timeline", etc, etc, etc, etc... It takes to long time! Before you buy it, take a look at Matrox RT.X100 - System recommendations to avoid trouble. /Roger
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June 2nd, 2006, 04:13 AM | #3 |
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Thank you for the info! It is really strange that there are so much trouble with the HW NLE boards. I had a Storm2 for a while - it was baaaad. Considering how few HW NLE boards there are available today - maybe the HW companies feel that the CPU of a modern PC i enough. Here in Sweden, almost no one sells the DVStorm2 or the Matrox. They do have the Edius DVX with the hardware bundle(Canopus are very secretive about what the HW board really can do). // Lazze |
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If you are interested in Edius, visit Lindqvist Radio&TV and contact them. They may have a Edius system in their store so you can see it in action. Talk to Robert, Patrik or Max. /Roger
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Checking the web via google / and on canopus userforum I draw the conclusion that PPro 2 drivers for both Matrox and Canopus can take between a long time and forever before they hit the streets.
Many people report problems with Matrox. Many people have problems using Canopus Edius for making DVD:s with Encore. So I think I'll save my money and just go for a faster CPU in a year or so. best regards, Lazze Z ps: Lindqvist doesn't seem to sell Edius DVX version, only NX/HX. ds. |
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They can answer detailed questions about Edius for you, so its worth the call! /Roger
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Considering that Matrox has been working on releasing their new RT.X2 board, I would say it's understandable the RT.X100 Premiere Pro 2.0 driver release has taken longer this time. For that matter, Matrox didn't have to release Premiere Pro 2.0 drivers for the RT.X100 at all. Quote:
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Most of the solutions is: "As a workaround, do this and that or edit a Standard DV Project". If you want more, read the Release Notes for X.Tools 6122 - There are 5 (!) pages full of Operational Limitations when using Matrox RT.X and PPro. Using PPro without a Matrox card, there is none! Some of these things are very minor flaws, but all togheter with sometimes crappy support i dont think its worth all the trouble with the card. It is so wonderful to use Adobe Production Studio with far less (almost none) freezes, no field order oriented trouble, no time spend on figuring out if the thing that not work in PPro is a user error, PPro error, computer error or a Matrox error. Without the card there can only be user error, computer error or PPro error. I makes things easier since many errors are directly or indirectly related to the Matrox card. My computer is build with validated parts only. The parts have been validated by Matrox for use with Matrox RT.X10 or RT.X100. I am tired of workarounds and want to use PPro at 100%. Quote:
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Once we weeded out the bugs and non-Premiere features from the list I count exactly three Premiere Pro features in your list that are disabled by using a Matrox DV preset. That really isn't that many. I, too, have encountered a few bugs when using the Matrox RT.X100. But the real-time performance is still nice to have. Each individual has to decide if the trade offs are worth it for them. In your case they obviously weren't. |
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I should not have used the words "many functions" in my previous post. But you got the message in later posts. Sorry for the confusion. :) /Roger
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I began my business with a Matrox RT-2500 and Premiere 6.0 only to have the worst headaches of my life. Later Matrox went to ther RTX series and things did not get any better. Always late with semi-functional drives that produced intensive computer crashes (earthquake size).
Switched all production systems to Canopus DVStorm 2 and things got very smooth and now with Edius and Premiere Pro removed all the Canopus cards, installed US $12.00 firewire cards and even on 1.8 Mhz Intel CPU's the capturing, editing and rendering is flawless. From these NLE's I export to one large AVI file and import it into Encore to create my DVD's without any quality loss. |
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