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John M. McCloskey · June 16th, 2006, 08:11 AM

Shooting mainly outdoors which big HD camera would be the best? I have looked very hard at the Ikegami HD edit cam simply due to the fact we run Avid and this camera has the hdnx codec like Avid. But also what about RED, F900, Viper? With the editing setup we have what would be the best camera for us. This camera would be used for broadcast and be edited with adrenaline. We have several Z1's right now but broadcasters wont take it in its native form(HDV) and the audio qualities are less superior than the older DSR390's we ran back in the day. We could broadcast HD right now and surely the audio quality is better than a Z1's. What route would you take HD wise? Money is always a concern but just for the heck of it lets say its not, What HD camera with Avid? Thanks

Douglas Spotted Eagle · June 16th, 2006, 08:20 AM

FW950. Can't beat it at this point.

As far as HDV audio, if you can hear the difference between HDV compressed audio and the very noisy DSR 390 PCM audio, then there is something significantly wrong with how you're recording it. Seriously. HDV audio is only problematic when it's not fed enough level, or if you're recording extreme dynamics such as symphonic works or a very intimate acoustic set in a noisy room where even the ear has a problem with signal to noise. Proper mic techniques obviate that problem.

John M. McCloskey · June 16th, 2006, 08:54 AM

Thanks for the help man, I have sat in at NAB at every class you have and just after the last one I got my Z1 rigged out like yours with the red rock and changed from lectro lavs to trams took allot of your advice and the help has been huge. The best advice was changing from the ME66 to a hypercardoid mic for inside audio work. Awsome difference. As for Z1 audio, as you know the more you lower your trim say to -12 even with a hot mic like a ME66 you can turn your audio level dial to 10 on the camera and if someone is whispering it barely bumps the audio bars. So you have to raise your trim in the camera then you get allot of preamp noise. Thats why I was saying the DSR was better, you could whisper and with that camera you could make even a whisper blown out. In other words you had more range with audio levels. Love my Z1 though wouldnt trade it for a thing, maybe a 950. Thanks again for allowing us to pick your brain, priceless.

John M. McCloskey · June 16th, 2006, 08:56 AM

Also, where could i find some good info on the 950. Thanks again.

David Heath · June 16th, 2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by John M. McCloskey

Shooting mainly outdoors which big HD camera would be the best?

If you can afford to wait a few months, the Grass Valley Infinity may have a very great deal to recommend it.

http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/pr...ity/camcorder/

Torrey C. Harris · June 29th, 2006, 06:05 PM

who makes it and is it a xd cam hd camera and how much and is it ready for shipping or still being dreamed about

torreyandlisa@netzero.com

Douglas Spotted Eagle · June 29th, 2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torrey C. Harris

who makes it and is it a xd cam hd camera and how much and is it ready for shipping or still being dreamed about

torreyandlisa@netzero.com

The Sony XDCAM HD is here, shipping now. The Grass Valley Infinity should be shipping shortly.

June 16th, 2006, 08:11 AM	#1
John M. McCloskey Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Point, MS Posts: 313	hd camera which one Shooting mainly outdoors which big HD camera would be the best? I have looked very hard at the Ikegami HD edit cam simply due to the fact we run Avid and this camera has the hdnx codec like Avid. But also what about RED, F900, Viper? With the editing setup we have what would be the best camera for us. This camera would be used for broadcast and be edited with adrenaline. We have several Z1's right now but broadcasters wont take it in its native form(HDV) and the audio qualities are less superior than the older DSR390's we ran back in the day. We could broadcast HD right now and surely the audio quality is better than a Z1's. What route would you take HD wise? Money is always a concern but just for the heck of it lets say its not, What HD camera with Avid? Thanks

June 16th, 2006, 08:20 AM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	FW950. Can't beat it at this point. As far as HDV audio, if you can hear the difference between HDV compressed audio and the very noisy DSR 390 PCM audio, then there is something significantly wrong with how you're recording it. Seriously. HDV audio is only problematic when it's not fed enough level, or if you're recording extreme dynamics such as symphonic works or a very intimate acoustic set in a noisy room where even the ear has a problem with signal to noise. Proper mic techniques obviate that problem. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

June 29th, 2006, 06:05 PM	#6
Torrey C. Harris Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Holden,La Posts: 246	950 who makes it and is it a xd cam hd camera and how much and is it ready for shipping or still being dreamed about torreyandlisa@netzero.com __________________ Take a kid hunting or fishing and you won't have to hunt for him or her later on in life. The outdoors were created to enjoy not look at through a glass window.

June 16th, 2006, 08:54 AM	#3
John M. McCloskey Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Point, MS Posts: 313	Thanks for the help man, I have sat in at NAB at every class you have and just after the last one I got my Z1 rigged out like yours with the red rock and changed from lectro lavs to trams took allot of your advice and the help has been huge. The best advice was changing from the ME66 to a hypercardoid mic for inside audio work. Awsome difference. As for Z1 audio, as you know the more you lower your trim say to -12 even with a hot mic like a ME66 you can turn your audio level dial to 10 on the camera and if someone is whispering it barely bumps the audio bars. So you have to raise your trim in the camera then you get allot of preamp noise. Thats why I was saying the DSR was better, you could whisper and with that camera you could make even a whisper blown out. In other words you had more range with audio levels. Love my Z1 though wouldnt trade it for a thing, maybe a 950. Thanks again for allowing us to pick your brain, priceless.

June 16th, 2006, 08:56 AM	#4
John M. McCloskey Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Point, MS Posts: 313	Also, where could i find some good info on the 950. Thanks again.