new prosumer priced HDV cams with proscan at DVinfo.net

Ira Friedman · May 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM

i use camcorders as MOTOR DRIVES to get frames to print from fast action video.-- the proscan mode allows for very clean pause - frame/frame playback. asking if anyone knows of a new HD camcorder that shoots progressive -- in the $2000 price range

Chris Hurd · May 14th, 2006, 10:49 PM

Nothing in the $2000 price range will give you progressive HD, sorry.

Graham Hickling · May 14th, 2006, 11:37 PM

JVC GR-HD1 is $1700 at B&H Photo and provides true 1280x720 pixel sensor progressive HD. (And, available for half the price on EBay...). No 'proscan' that I'm aware of however.

Ken Hodson · May 15th, 2006, 01:17 AM

"Proscan" is a consumer marketing name for "progressive video".
Yes it appears the JVC-HD1 is the clear winner. Nice clear progressive image and the ability to lock at a high shutter speed. Under budget as well!
Quick note. Put the camera in Sports mode. This will lock you into 1/250+ shutter(gives nice clear picture of fast motion) then you are free to lock the exposure on whatever you like. If your shooting for pictures I would always leave it in this mode. If this is in dim locations you will deffinately need to add light. Leave the AGC (automatic gain control) off. Having it on will allow you to shoot in darker areas, which will look good on the LCD, but will contain lots of chroma noise when viewed later. Keep ACG off and just add light untill it looks fine in the view finder. This will give you a nice clear image(about f4+). If it is still too dark with the all available light, then enable AGC. Try never to go lower then F4.

Michael Maier · May 18th, 2006, 01:03 PM

The GR-HD1 doesn't do 24p, right? Just 30p. Which means it's not ProHD, so tapes recorded with the HD100 will not play in a GR-HD1. But the PAL version of the GR-HD1 must be 25p, so will 25p recorded in a HD100 play in a PAL GR-HD1? Or the GR-HD1 is actually ProHD? Because I was under the impression the HD100 was the first ProHD camcorder.

Carlos Serrano · May 18th, 2006, 01:19 PM

Sanyo HD1 makes 1280x720 30p, it´s priced about 800$ or less.

Ken Hodson · May 18th, 2006, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Maier

The GR-HD1 doesn't do 24p, right? Just 30p. Which means it's not ProHD, so tapes recorded with the HD100 will not play in a GR-HD1. But the PAL version of the GR-HD1 must be 25p, so will 25p recorded in a HD100 play in a PAL GR-HD1? Or the GR-HD1 is actually ProHD? Because I was under the impression the HD100 was the first ProHD camcorder.

Did you post to the correct thread Michael? Not sure if what you are asking has anything to do with the topic?

Greg Boston · May 18th, 2006, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Maier

The GR-HD1 doesn't do 24p, right? Just 30p. Which means it's not ProHD, so tapes recorded with the HD100 will not play in a GR-HD1. But the PAL version of the GR-HD1 must be 25p, so will 25p recorded in a HD100 play in a PAL GR-HD1? Or the GR-HD1 is actually ProHD? Because I was under the impression the HD100 was the first ProHD camcorder.

That's true. The first version HD consumer cameras from JVC weren't 'ProHD' in a format sense. They were one of the first HDV cameras. Heath McKnight would be a good person to answer this question because he owned the earlier cameras.

-gb-

Ken Hodson · May 18th, 2006, 02:51 PM

Again not sure why this is being discussed in this thread as it has nothing to do with the topic (maybe these last threads can be moved and a new topic started?) Moderator?

That said, ProHD is not a format. It is a marketing name used by JVC to identify its new "Pro" style shoulder mount HDV cams. All of the shooting modes from all of the JVC cams are HDV compatible. That said the older HD1/10 were not designed to use the 24p mode (although I have read that you can use a 24p captured tape in a HD1/10 and firewire it out to a PC. Apparently you get no LCD display on this playback, but it will output the stream fine)

May 9th, 2006, 08:45 PM	#1
Ira Friedman New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: boynton beach, florida Posts: 12	new prosumer priced HDV cams with proscan i use camcorders as MOTOR DRIVES to get frames to print from fast action video.-- the proscan mode allows for very clean pause - frame/frame playback. asking if anyone knows of a new HD camcorder that shoots progressive -- in the $2000 price range

May 14th, 2006, 10:49 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Nothing in the $2000 price range will give you progressive HD, sorry. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 15th, 2006, 01:17 AM	#4
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	"Proscan" is a consumer marketing name for "progressive video". Yes it appears the JVC-HD1 is the clear winner. Nice clear progressive image and the ability to lock at a high shutter speed. Under budget as well! Quick note. Put the camera in Sports mode. This will lock you into 1/250+ shutter(gives nice clear picture of fast motion) then you are free to lock the exposure on whatever you like. If your shooting for pictures I would always leave it in this mode. If this is in dim locations you will deffinately need to add light. Leave the AGC (automatic gain control) off. Having it on will allow you to shoot in darker areas, which will look good on the LCD, but will contain lots of chroma noise when viewed later. Keep ACG off and just add light untill it looks fine in the view finder. This will give you a nice clear image(about f4+). If it is still too dark with the all available light, then enable AGC. Try never to go lower then F4. __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

May 18th, 2006, 01:19 PM	#6
Carlos Serrano Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain. Posts: 31	Sanyo HD1 makes 1280x720 30p, it´s priced about 800$ or less. __________________ Carlos Serrano CG Artist. www.i-real3d.com

May 18th, 2006, 02:51 PM	#9
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Again not sure why this is being discussed in this thread as it has nothing to do with the topic (maybe these last threads can be moved and a new topic started?) Moderator? That said, ProHD is not a format. It is a marketing name used by JVC to identify its new "Pro" style shoulder mount HDV cams. All of the shooting modes from all of the JVC cams are HDV compatible. That said the older HD1/10 were not designed to use the 24p mode (although I have read that you can use a 24p captured tape in a HD1/10 and firewire it out to a PC. Apparently you get no LCD display on this playback, but it will output the stream fine) __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

May 14th, 2006, 11:37 PM	#3
Graham Hickling Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 1,669	JVC GR-HD1 is $1700 at B&H Photo and provides true 1280x720 pixel sensor progressive HD. (And, available for half the price on EBay...). No 'proscan' that I'm aware of however.

May 18th, 2006, 01:03 PM	#5
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	The GR-HD1 doesn't do 24p, right? Just 30p. Which means it's not ProHD, so tapes recorded with the HD100 will not play in a GR-HD1. But the PAL version of the GR-HD1 must be 25p, so will 25p recorded in a HD100 play in a PAL GR-HD1? Or the GR-HD1 is actually ProHD? Because I was under the impression the HD100 was the first ProHD camcorder.