HL H1 vs HVX comparisons? Hellp! at DVinfo.net

Kelly Goden · May 9th, 2006, 05:56 PM

Can someone recommend a good pro-con shoot out comparison between these cams? I like the film look of the HVX over the HLH1, but prefer the sharper res I see in the screen caps for the HlH1.

What cab be done to make one sharper, or the other more film like?

And what other basic pro-cons are there? Not only in terms of operation, but film outs vs home theater screening.

What makes the one HD different from the other?

I am getting a lot on the HVX--but would like to round out my info.

Brian Luce · May 10th, 2006, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly Goden

Can someone recommend a good pro-con shoot out comparison between these cams? I like the film look of the HVX over the HLH1, but prefer the sharper res I see in the screen caps for the HlH1.

What cab be done to make one sharper, or the other more film like?

And what other basic pro-cons are there? Not only in terms of operation, but film outs vs home theater screening.

What makes the one HD different from the other?

I am getting a lot on the HVX--but would like to round out my info.

the biggest pro of the hvx is it's versatility, it's biggest con is the price of p2 and the short record times.

Pete Bauer · May 10th, 2006, 03:10 AM

Hi Kelly,

The dedicated forums here on DVi for each of these cameras contain a great wealth of information including many links to full-rez video clips shared by members:

Canon XL H1: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=101

Panasonic HVX-200: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=80

As you read through these forums, you'll find extensive discussions with a variety of personal viewpoints on just about every aspect of these cameras. You can also find threads on specific topics very quickly with the advanced search feature: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/search.php

They are very different cameras so as you become more familiar with the differences, your choice will become easier. Enjoy!

Darrell Essex · May 10th, 2006, 09:08 AM

dv.com, sign up is free. they have an article on the latest 4 camera's.
Darrell
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Kelly Goden · May 10th, 2006, 04:14 PM

Well, after checking out that 4 camera test my only question is, where can I rent the F900 in BC Canada?

;p

Ken Hodson · May 10th, 2006, 05:23 PM

So you were under the impression that an under $10,000 1/3" cam competes with pro cams who's lens alone cost 4 times that much?

Kelly Goden · May 10th, 2006, 06:01 PM

Nope-just making a joke about the cam that was the easiest to decide about(hence the use of the ";p" emoticon) . I actually liked the hlH1 the second best from the tests I viewed and was able to watch.

Ken Hodson · May 11th, 2006, 12:57 PM

Sorry, missed the sarcasm. He he, I guess I need to go back to emoticon school!

;>)

Kelly Goden · May 11th, 2006, 05:47 PM

Ha actually I think from the post it could seem like I was dissing the 4 cameras.

To tell the truth the more I learn--the harder it is to choose.

Interlaced vs progressive

SD vs HD

film out vs DV projection

Maybe I will just put them all in a hat and do a lottery draw.

A very big hat.

Ian Mora · May 15th, 2006, 08:36 PM

I know this is so dumb,....but I can't stand the way the HVX looks. It doesn't look pro at all. I know that's a dumb reason not to buy a camera,...but I can't help it.

Ian Mora · May 15th, 2006, 08:39 PM

It shoots 1080p at 24fps? Am I reading that right?

Ken Hodson · May 15th, 2006, 09:34 PM

Yes your reading that right. But do understand that the recording format is not a barring of the detail of resolution captured. For example the HVX will in no way better the 720p24 of the progressive HD100 as far as detail goes. The H1 in its interlaced mode will even best them both at over 800 TVlines. The HVX is not a resolution king, no matter what mode you capture in. As pointed out its strong points are P2 and versatility. Its down points are P2, fixed lens an form factor.

Ian Mora · May 16th, 2006, 10:01 AM

Now correct me if I'm wrong,...but doesn't the firestore achieve basically the same thing as the p2 cards? for less money?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 16th, 2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Mora

Now correct me if I'm wrong,...but doesn't the firestore achieve basically the same thing as the p2 cards? for less money?

Depends on how you look at it. The Firestore adds SIGNIFICANTLY to the size of the HVX, nearly half again as much in size and in weight. It stores a lot more media than can a P2 card, but a big part of the HVX marketing concept is that it has "no moving parts." In other words, no HDD, because it's solid state media. This has its benefits, but also detriments.
First, eventually all P2 media is going to end up on an HDD. Period. There is a point in favor of the Firestore or similar.
Second, there *is* a moving part anyway with P2, it's called "you." You'll be pulling the P2 card a minimum of 18 times per hour, and hoping every pin lines back up in place when you pull or push it. Another point in favor of the Firestore or similar.
Third, P2 is very small, lightweight, and fits 2 inside the camcorder, allowing for a small footprint. A point in favor of P2.
Four, no cables with P2. Another point in favor of P2.

I'm not a raving fan of P2. The HVX is a good camcorder if it fits your needs/wants. P2 in this particular application seems like a waste to me due to cost, but that's just me. a Firestore falls into the 30.00 per GB vs nearly 200.00 per GB for P2. I also don't come from a background of loading a film reel every 11 mins or so, and changing out a P2 card every 8 minutes and waiting 8 mins for transfer isn't my idea of a fun shoot. But, you also have no worries of dropout with the P2, so another big point in favor of any sort of non-tape based storage whether it's P2 or HDD.
IMO, HDD in the form of DVRack, Firestore, or similar is the best way to fly with this camcorder. Plus it's a lot less costly.

May 9th, 2006, 05:56 PM	#1
Kelly Goden Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 259	HL H1 vs HVX comparisons? Hellp! Can someone recommend a good pro-con shoot out comparison between these cams? I like the film look of the HVX over the HLH1, but prefer the sharper res I see in the screen caps for the HlH1. What cab be done to make one sharper, or the other more film like? And what other basic pro-cons are there? Not only in terms of operation, but film outs vs home theater screening. What makes the one HD different from the other? I am getting a lot on the HVX--but would like to round out my info.

May 10th, 2006, 03:10 AM	#3
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Hi Kelly, The dedicated forums here on DVi for each of these cameras contain a great wealth of information including many links to full-rez video clips shared by members: Canon XL H1: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=101 Panasonic HVX-200: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=80 As you read through these forums, you'll find extensive discussions with a variety of personal viewpoints on just about every aspect of these cameras. You can also find threads on specific topics very quickly with the advanced search feature: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/search.php They are very different cameras so as you become more familiar with the differences, your choice will become easier. Enjoy! __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

May 10th, 2006, 09:08 AM	#4
Darrell Essex Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: kelseyville, ca Posts: 123	dv.com, sign up is free. they have an article on the latest 4 camera's. Darrell FIRST CINEMA PICTURES __________________ darrell

May 10th, 2006, 05:23 PM	#6
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	So you were under the impression that an under $10,000 1/3" cam competes with pro cams who's lens alone cost 4 times that much? __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

May 11th, 2006, 12:57 PM	#8
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Sorry, missed the sarcasm. He he, I guess I need to go back to emoticon school! ;>) __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

May 10th, 2006, 04:14 PM	#5
Kelly Goden Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 259	Well, after checking out that 4 camera test my only question is, where can I rent the F900 in BC Canada? ;p

May 10th, 2006, 06:01 PM	#7
Kelly Goden Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 259	Nope-just making a joke about the cam that was the easiest to decide about(hence the use of the ";p" emoticon) . I actually liked the hlH1 the second best from the tests I viewed and was able to watch.

May 11th, 2006, 05:47 PM	#9
Kelly Goden Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 259	Ha actually I think from the post it could seem like I was dissing the 4 cameras. To tell the truth the more I learn--the harder it is to choose. Interlaced vs progressive SD vs HD film out vs DV projection Maybe I will just put them all in a hat and do a lottery draw. A very big hat.

May 15th, 2006, 08:36 PM	#10
Ian Mora Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	dumb,... I know this is so dumb,....but I can't stand the way the HVX looks. It doesn't look pro at all. I know that's a dumb reason not to buy a camera,...but I can't help it.

May 15th, 2006, 08:39 PM	#11
Ian Mora Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	Whoa,.... It shoots 1080p at 24fps? Am I reading that right?

May 15th, 2006, 09:34 PM	#12
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Yes your reading that right. But do understand that the recording format is not a barring of the detail of resolution captured. For example the HVX will in no way better the 720p24 of the progressive HD100 as far as detail goes. The H1 in its interlaced mode will even best them both at over 800 TVlines. The HVX is not a resolution king, no matter what mode you capture in. As pointed out its strong points are P2 and versatility. Its down points are P2, fixed lens an form factor. __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

May 16th, 2006, 10:01 AM	#13
Ian Mora Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 50	firestore Now correct me if I'm wrong,...but doesn't the firestore achieve basically the same thing as the p2 cards? for less money?