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Joey Dee · February 7th, 2006, 08:14 AM

Hi people,

I am very interested in knowing how this clip was created, what type of cam can do this job as well as what editing techniques are implimented in this clip....

http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/e.../flv/04005.htm

here is my guess,

-Canon Xl 1 or any 24fps cam
-Relevant lighting in the scene
(editing the gamma and contrast????)

Would i be able to do this using FINAL CUT STUDIO 5?

I would appreciate if you guys can help me out :>

Thanks
Joey

Wes Coughlin · February 7th, 2006, 08:58 AM

that clip is kinda creepy

David Saraceno · February 7th, 2006, 11:24 AM

Basic lightning with any good cam can accomplish this

And yes you can cut it with FCP, or just about any NLE PC or Mac

Wade Spencer · February 7th, 2006, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Dee

-Canon Xl 1 or any 24fps cam
-Relevant lighting in the scene
(editing the gamma and contrast????)

Just for knowledge, the XL1 isn't a 24p cam. The XL2 is.

Jimmy McKenzie · February 7th, 2006, 12:03 PM

The P.O.V. of the cam is why this looks like film. Production values period. As for the edit techniques to get the story told well, there are none. All are cuts that respect the producer/director's storyboard.

By default the lighting design is perfect.

24p or 25f pal ... compressed to the net at either 24 or 15 fps ... film looking clip is the result.

Ash Greyson · February 7th, 2006, 03:36 PM

A camera or editing program had nothing to do with this clip. It is professional high-end lighting and set-design. With that much producion I doubt it was shot on anything less than a Varicam...

ash =o)

Ken Hodson · February 8th, 2006, 01:42 AM

To default that clip to Varicam+ status is ignorant. When projected in a web feed environment you can't judge at all. I could post 1chip DV at 15fps at 320x240 and have the look the same.

Joey Dee · February 8th, 2006, 11:26 AM

Wow thanks for the reply people :)

just a few questions here...

what is P.O.V??? is the Varicam the Panasonic one that is 60 000$ + ???

What cam would u recommend me buying???

-XL2 24fps or other?

What resolution should i shoot at:
-320:240 or 720 x 1280

What kind of lighting system I should purchase???

As for editing i have FCP studio

Should i invest into accessories such as Dolly, mics, filters and so forth?
Thanks people;)
JOey

Jimmy McKenzie · February 8th, 2006, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Dee

Wow thanks for the reply people :)

just a few questions here...

what is P.O.V??? is the Varicam the Panasonic one that is 60 000$ + ???

What cam would u recommend me buying???

-XL2 24fps or other?

What resolution should i shoot at:
-320:240 or 720 x 1280

What kind of lighting system I should purchase???

As for editing i have FCP studio

Should i invest into accessories such as Dolly, mics, filters and so forth?
Thanks people;)
JOey

Point of view.

As for everything below, try to use the search function on this page or within the XL2 portion for very complete reviews on all the assorted gear. Your list of questions would require many paragraphs ... time for the research!

Dave Ferdinand · February 8th, 2006, 04:15 PM

If you want to make something of this calibre you'll need a pretty good budget.

I don't think you need mics for this shot, it had not dialogue or sound effects!

If you want to shoot 1280x720 you'll need to get at least an HD10U. If you have the money just get one of the new HD cams (H1,HD100U,HVX).

For 24p in SD you can get either the XL2 or DVX100A.

I personally think you can achieve this kind of professional look with any 3 CCD camera (and all the prod values). You don't need 24p.

Lighting setups are complicated and expensive so I doubt you can find an easy answer for that.

As Jimmy said, look around the forum and you'll find lots of useful info.

Ash Greyson · February 8th, 2006, 04:51 PM

Weird... I replied to this but it vanished... There is no 1CCD camera on earth that has the depth of field, color rendition or range exhibited in this clip. This is either a 2/3" CCD camera or a 1/3" CCD with a mini35 adapter.

Again, this is about production value, you cant just buy the gear and make it look like this, you have to have an art director, set design, light design, etc. etc. etc.

ash =o)

Andreas Fernbrant · February 8th, 2006, 05:26 PM

I'd say 35mm (film, not video) Cut with Avid - color corrected by a pro.
Atleast 50K budget.. But I'd go for 100-300K budget. (This is a guess)

Nate Weaver · February 8th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Andreas is correct.

35mm. With a great colorist. Most likely a budget north of $100k

Nick Weeks · February 8th, 2006, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Coughlin

that clip is kinda creepy

I have to agree with this.... it was cool at first, but the whole tranny thing at the end.... hmmm

Dave Ferdinand · February 8th, 2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Weeks

I have to agree with this.... it was cool at first, but the whole tranny thing at the end.... hmmm

Cmon guys, we're in the 21st century. You got be a bit more open minded than that. I'm not gay and I thought the idea was genius!

35mm... maybe, but with the tiny resolution we're seeing the clip at it's impossible to tell exactly. I'm pretty sure that any pro DV camera can handle something like this...

February 7th, 2006, 08:14 AM	#1
Joey Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 76	Guess the requirements of this CLIP Hi people, I am very interested in knowing how this clip was created, what type of cam can do this job as well as what editing techniques are implimented in this clip.... http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/e.../flv/04005.htm here is my guess, -Canon Xl 1 or any 24fps cam -Relevant lighting in the scene (editing the gamma and contrast????) Would i be able to do this using FINAL CUT STUDIO 5? I would appreciate if you guys can help me out :> Thanks Joey

February 7th, 2006, 08:58 AM	#2
Wes Coughlin Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 206	that clip is kinda creepy __________________ http://wildlookout.com

February 8th, 2006, 01:42 AM	#7
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	To default that clip to Varicam+ status is ignorant. When projected in a web feed environment you can't judge at all. I could post 1chip DV at 15fps at 320x240 and have the look the same. __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech. Last edited by Douglas Spotted Eagle; February 8th, 2006 at 08:32 AM. Reason: edited by moderator

February 8th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#10
Dave Ferdinand Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 359	If you want to make something of this calibre you'll need a pretty good budget. I don't think you need mics for this shot, it had not dialogue or sound effects! If you want to shoot 1280x720 you'll need to get at least an HD10U. If you have the money just get one of the new HD cams (H1,HD100U,HVX). For 24p in SD you can get either the XL2 or DVX100A. I personally think you can achieve this kind of professional look with any 3 CCD camera (and all the prod values). You don't need 24p. Lighting setups are complicated and expensive so I doubt you can find an easy answer for that. As Jimmy said, look around the forum and you'll find lots of useful info. __________________ Do or do not, there is no try.

February 8th, 2006, 06:49 PM	#13
Nate Weaver Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,100	Andreas is correct. 35mm. With a great colorist. Most likely a budget north of $100k __________________ My Work: nateweaver.net

February 7th, 2006, 11:24 AM	#3
David Saraceno Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Inland Northwest Posts: 490	Basic lightning with any good cam can accomplish this And yes you can cut it with FCP, or just about any NLE PC or Mac

February 7th, 2006, 12:03 PM	#5
Jimmy McKenzie Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Waterloo Ontario Posts: 721	The P.O.V. of the cam is why this looks like film. Production values period. As for the edit techniques to get the story told well, there are none. All are cuts that respect the producer/director's storyboard. By default the lighting design is perfect. 24p or 25f pal ... compressed to the net at either 24 or 15 fps ... film looking clip is the result.

February 7th, 2006, 03:36 PM	#6
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	A camera or editing program had nothing to do with this clip. It is professional high-end lighting and set-design. With that much producion I doubt it was shot on anything less than a Varicam... ash =o)

February 8th, 2006, 11:26 AM	#8
Joey Dee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 76	Wow thanks for the reply people :) just a few questions here... what is P.O.V??? is the Varicam the Panasonic one that is 60 000$ + ??? What cam would u recommend me buying??? -XL2 24fps or other? What resolution should i shoot at: -320:240 or 720 x 1280 What kind of lighting system I should purchase??? As for editing i have FCP studio Should i invest into accessories such as Dolly, mics, filters and so forth? Thanks people;) JOey

February 8th, 2006, 04:51 PM	#11
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Weird... I replied to this but it vanished... There is no 1CCD camera on earth that has the depth of field, color rendition or range exhibited in this clip. This is either a 2/3" CCD camera or a 1/3" CCD with a mini35 adapter. Again, this is about production value, you cant just buy the gear and make it look like this, you have to have an art director, set design, light design, etc. etc. etc. ash =o)

February 8th, 2006, 05:26 PM	#12
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	I'd say 35mm (film, not video) Cut with Avid - color corrected by a pro. Atleast 50K budget.. But I'd go for 100-300K budget. (This is a guess)