1080 vs 720 (closed)

Ken Hodson · February 5th, 2006, 05:02 PM

I thought it is universally accepted that an anamorphic 24p DVD affords the highest quality. Less frames to compress and full widescreen resolution. It is the format of the highest quality DVD's.

As far as film-out is concerned if Douglas wants provide a link to a filmout house that states they prefer 60i converted to 24p over natively shot 24p I would like to have more information. So would everyone in the HD100 and HVX forums.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · February 5th, 2006, 11:23 PM

I did. Read those pages carefully, you'll find information that 60i is preferable over improperly shot 24p. Read my words, read their page. You'll find they're identical.

Alister Chapman · February 6th, 2006, 06:46 AM

I am also of the opinion that 24 frames per second is an old and un acceptably flickery frame rate. Let's face it.. feature films are projected with each frame being displayed twice giving a 48fps flicker as 24fps for an extended period will give many people a headache.

having said that I belive that it is that very flicker that helps remove us from reality and transports us to a land of make-believe when we go to a cinema. But it's not just the flicker but the whole cinema environment. A dark room, a large screen filling your feild of view, surround sound, popcorn and sticky carpets. When you enter that environment your mind switches over to entertainment mode, you forget about paying your extortinate gas bill, you become imersed in the film. This is hard to achieve in the average home, there are too many distractions and you associate the TV with news programmes and reality and that gas bill is sitting on the table.

A great example of how bad 24 fps is is IMAX, the frame stutter really detracts from what would otherwise be an amazing experience. For me it has to be 1080, the biggest frame size I can currently afford. As I live in PAL land then im stuck down at 25 frames per second and for me 50i is far truer to life than 25or 24p. In a perfect world I would be shooting at 50P but at the moment I can't afford that.

Chris Hurd · February 6th, 2006, 09:01 AM

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I am also of the opinion that 24 frames per second is an old and un acceptably flickery frame rate.

I agree completely... but it's very difficult to ignore the *legacy* of 24p. For the better part of a century, mainstream film has been shot only at 24p. Since so much work already exists in the frame rate, it's guaranteed to be around for quite some time to come.

Chris Hurd · February 6th, 2006, 09:06 AM

I knew that sooner or later that any thread titled "1080 vs. 720" would have to be closed... long story short: there are proponents for each side, both are here and now today, so both are worthy of discussion. What I don't appreciate though, is when our members become confrontational with each other and begin to argue the person instead of arguing the point. Therefore... several posts that were borderline flames have been removed, and since it's pretty much pointless to continue, this thread is now closed.

If you are trying to decide between 1080i and 720p, your best bet is to *try before you buy.* The right one for you is the one which looks and feels best to your own subjective tests. And it'll continue to be that way until 1080i and 720p are both replaced by 1080p... still a ways off yet. Hope this helps,

February 5th, 2006, 05:02 PM	#46
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	I thought it is universally accepted that an anamorphic 24p DVD affords the highest quality. Less frames to compress and full widescreen resolution. It is the format of the highest quality DVD's. As far as film-out is concerned if Douglas wants provide a link to a filmout house that states they prefer 60i converted to 24p over natively shot 24p I would like to have more information. So would everyone in the HD100 and HVX forums. __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

February 5th, 2006, 11:23 PM	#47
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	I did. Read those pages carefully, you'll find information that 60i is preferable over improperly shot 24p. Read my words, read their page. You'll find they're identical. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 6th, 2006, 06:46 AM	#48
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	I am also of the opinion that 24 frames per second is an old and un acceptably flickery frame rate. Let's face it.. feature films are projected with each frame being displayed twice giving a 48fps flicker as 24fps for an extended period will give many people a headache. having said that I belive that it is that very flicker that helps remove us from reality and transports us to a land of make-believe when we go to a cinema. But it's not just the flicker but the whole cinema environment. A dark room, a large screen filling your feild of view, surround sound, popcorn and sticky carpets. When you enter that environment your mind switches over to entertainment mode, you forget about paying your extortinate gas bill, you become imersed in the film. This is hard to achieve in the average home, there are too many distractions and you associate the TV with news programmes and reality and that gas bill is sitting on the table. A great example of how bad 24 fps is is IMAX, the frame stutter really detracts from what would otherwise be an amazing experience. For me it has to be 1080, the biggest frame size I can currently afford. As I live in PAL land then im stuck down at 25 frames per second and for me 50i is far truer to life than 25or 24p. In a perfect world I would be shooting at 50P but at the moment I can't afford that. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

February 6th, 2006, 09:06 AM	#50
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I knew that sooner or later that any thread titled "1080 vs. 720" would have to be closed... long story short: there are proponents for each side, both are here and now today, so both are worthy of discussion. What I don't appreciate though, is when our members become confrontational with each other and begin to argue the person instead of arguing the point. Therefore... several posts that were borderline flames have been removed, and since it's pretty much pointless to continue, this thread is now closed. If you are trying to decide between 1080i and 720p, your best bet is to try before you buy. The right one for you is the one which looks and feels best to your own subjective tests. And it'll continue to be that way until 1080i and 720p are both replaced by 1080p... still a ways off yet. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!