The Seventh Affordable HD Camcorder...

Wayne Morellini · January 12th, 2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Euritt

your comparison would not be relevant to a camera that fully utilizes the h.264 specification... it's a whole lot better than the original mpeg4 codec.

one place that you are going to see those h.264 chips a lot is in cell phone video recording, believe it or not.

Have you got definite confirmation, details, models, or timing on that?

I find this interesting, the HD version have around 450MW-1W of power consumption, thats a lot for a Mobile.

That camera on their homepage, is that a JVC or Sony?

Dan Euritt · January 12th, 2006, 12:29 PM

you would not shoot hd resolution with a cellphone, so the power consumption would be a whole lot less... divide it by a factor of 4 or more, depending on the frame size... what i saw awhile back was an obscure japanese website that referenced h.264 in cellphone engineering; i think that a lot of what is happening there is proprietary, which is why you don't see much on it.

thanks for the links... it's funny how the people that write for camcorderinfo.com are so technically inept.

not sure what that camera picture is? unless it uses h.264, i personally would not buy this sanyo... greater things are coming! i was very impressed by the fact that it had an external mic jack, tho.

Greg Boston · January 12th, 2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Euritt

you would not shoot hd resolution with a cellphone, so the power consumption would be a whole lot less... divide it by a factor of 4 or more, depending on the frame size... what i saw awhile back was an obscure japanese website that referenced h.264 in cellphone engineering; i think that a lot of what is happening there is proprietary, which is why you don't see much on it.

thanks for the links... it's funny how the people that write for camcorderinfo.com are so technically inept.

not sure what that camera picture is? unless it uses h.264, i personally would not buy this sanyo... greater things are coming! i was very impressed by the fact that it had an external mic jack, tho.

Although, at last year's MacWorld keynote address Steve Jobs was talking about the upcoming implementation of H.264. He said it was a highly efficient codec capable of being 'scaled' from cell phone all the way to full HD resolution. So I think it's likely we will see it show up as a content delivery method to cellphones and perhas as an acquistion codec for their implemented video cameras.

Time will tell...

-gb-

Wayne Morellini · January 16th, 2006, 07:55 AM

There has been some sample footage put up, not much for now:

http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-10...+monster!.html
http://images.akihabaranews.com/news...1/SANY0001.MP4

Found out some interesting stuff about that ambarella h264 chip (data rates and pro version) and am starting a new thread here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...403#post413403

There has been an announcement of a new Samsung h264 camera:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58261

Hse Kha · January 17th, 2006, 06:06 AM

I am getting one of these little babies. They are on sale at Amazon for pre-order - $799.

Hse Kha · January 17th, 2006, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petr Marusek

Can you imagine any pro showing up with this camera at a client?

Mount a long shotgun mic on it then ;) LOL

No seriously, I think the pro applications would be to mount them in places where you would not otherwise be able to mount other HD cams. A few examples that come to mind - skydiver's helmet, four of them at different parts of a racing car for different views around a lap, etc...

Anhar Miah · January 17th, 2006, 09:44 AM

Thanks for the footage link Wayne, I was looking for that !

Look at the 0.6X wide lens :) looks funny.

EDIT:

Just viewed the footage, not as bad as I thouught it would be, BUT guys take a look at the wepage that Wayne posted:

http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-10951-AKIBA+Sanyo+Xacti+DMX-HD1%2C+the+monster!.html

and view the FLASH VIDEO, this was actually shot on the XACTI HD1 (from what I gather) and downsized for web compression and it looks very good indeed

Anhar

Wayne Morellini · January 17th, 2006, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hse Kha

Mount a long shotgun mic on it then ;) LOL

No seriously, I think the pro applications would be to mount them in places where you would not otherwise be able to mount other HD cams. A few examples that come to mind - skydiver's helmet, four of them at different parts of a racing car for different views around a lap, etc...

Yes, I am interested in a camera for high movement footage too, and the 9Mb/s sample footage isn't complex enough to tell anything, and I would prefer 25MB/s h264 myself.

Anhar, that footage (first file) comes up as 1280*720 in vlc, what is it coming up as in yours?

Wayne Morellini · January 18th, 2006, 01:42 AM

Here are some comparison links of h264, WMV and mpeg2 frames from a DVD transcoder called Nero Recode (in NeroVision Express 3):

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....08&postcount=8

Anhar Miah · January 18th, 2006, 09:30 AM

Yep its 720P same as you.

Anhar

Bob Curnow · January 18th, 2006, 11:16 AM

I've been keeping an eye on ebay to see when the DMX-HD1 shows up. Looks like it just did. Pretty expensive though!
Bob C

Hse Kha · January 18th, 2006, 02:55 PM

OMFG! You are right, its already for sale on E-Bay. So I guess it is out and about in Japan already. Too bad we have to wait until March :(

That guy wants to make a killing selling it at $1340!!!

Wayne Morellini · January 19th, 2006, 10:29 PM

New thread, another clip:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58228

Anhar, are you sure the flash window contains footage from the Sanyo HD1 camera?

Thanks

Wayne

Anhar Miah · January 20th, 2006, 08:25 AM

Yes Wayne I'm pretty sure, he uses the remote control to switch it off. Also it was discussed over at camcorderinfo, hence from the disscussion I was able to find out that it was shot on the Sanyo, the outdoor was very nice and indoor shots of the big projection was very clean as well, however with that web compression it is difficult to be sure.

P.S you spelt my name wrong :)

Anhar

Wayne Morellini · January 20th, 2006, 09:15 AM

So somebody had definite confirmation of that, it was a Sanyo remote in his hand?

Can anybody tell me how I can download that footage to a file, because it just goes troppo trying to play in flash and then wants you to reload it to play it again, argh..? (flash video controls)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anhar Miah

P.S you spelt my name wrong :)
Anhar

Sorry about that.

Thanks for your help.

Wayne.

January 17th, 2006, 09:44 AM	#22
Anhar Miah Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kindom, England Posts: 290	Thanks for the footage link Wayne, I was looking for that ! Look at the 0.6X wide lens :) looks funny. EDIT: Just viewed the footage, not as bad as I thouught it would be, BUT guys take a look at the wepage that Wayne posted: http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-10951-AKIBA+Sanyo+Xacti+DMX-HD1%2C+the+monster!.html and view the FLASH VIDEO, this was actually shot on the XACTI HD1 (from what I gather) and downsized for web compression and it looks very good indeed Anhar __________________ The IT Ninja Learn, Teach, Grow..

January 18th, 2006, 09:30 AM	#25
Anhar Miah Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kindom, England Posts: 290	Yep its 720P same as you. Anhar __________________ The IT Ninja Learn, Teach, Grow..

January 19th, 2006, 10:29 PM	#28
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	New thread, another clip: New thread, another clip: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58228 Anhar, are you sure the flash window contains footage from the Sanyo HD1 camera? Thanks Wayne Last edited by Wayne Morellini; January 20th, 2006 at 09:09 AM.

January 20th, 2006, 08:25 AM	#29
Anhar Miah Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kindom, England Posts: 290	Yes Wayne I'm pretty sure, he uses the remote control to switch it off. Also it was discussed over at camcorderinfo, hence from the disscussion I was able to find out that it was shot on the Sanyo, the outdoor was very nice and indoor shots of the big projection was very clean as well, however with that web compression it is difficult to be sure. P.S you spelt my name wrong :) Anhar __________________ The IT Ninja Learn, Teach, Grow.. Last edited by Anhar Miah; January 20th, 2006 at 09:17 AM.

January 12th, 2006, 12:29 PM	#17
Dan Euritt Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 1,132	you would not shoot hd resolution with a cellphone, so the power consumption would be a whole lot less... divide it by a factor of 4 or more, depending on the frame size... what i saw awhile back was an obscure japanese website that referenced h.264 in cellphone engineering; i think that a lot of what is happening there is proprietary, which is why you don't see much on it. thanks for the links... it's funny how the people that write for camcorderinfo.com are so technically inept. not sure what that camera picture is? unless it uses h.264, i personally would not buy this sanyo... greater things are coming! i was very impressed by the fact that it had an external mic jack, tho.

January 16th, 2006, 07:55 AM	#19
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	There has been some sample footage put up, not much for now: http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-10...+monster!.html http://images.akihabaranews.com/news...1/SANY0001.MP4 Found out some interesting stuff about that ambarella h264 chip (data rates and pro version) and am starting a new thread here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...403#post413403 There has been an announcement of a new Samsung h264 camera: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=58261

January 17th, 2006, 06:06 AM	#20
Hse Kha Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 195	I am getting one of these little babies. They are on sale at Amazon for pre-order - $799.

January 18th, 2006, 01:42 AM	#24
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	Here are some comparison links of h264, WMV and mpeg2 frames from a DVD transcoder called Nero Recode (in NeroVision Express 3): http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....08&postcount=8

January 18th, 2006, 11:16 AM	#26
Bob Curnow Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sonora, CA USA Posts: 50	I've been keeping an eye on ebay to see when the DMX-HD1 shows up. Looks like it just did. Pretty expensive though! Bob C

January 18th, 2006, 02:55 PM	#27
Hse Kha Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 195	OMFG! You are right, its already for sale on E-Bay. So I guess it is out and about in Japan already. Too bad we have to wait until March :( That guy wants to make a killing selling it at $1340!!!