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Britt Pitre · July 11th, 2013, 11:55 AM

Hello everyone,

I teach video production at a community college and we will be purchasing some new equipment soon. I'd like to purchase a set of cheap camcorders to use in the intro to video class while keeping the nicer cameras for the more advanced classes.

The only hang up is that I would like the cheaper cameras to have manual settings for aperture, shutter speed and gain - even if they have to be accessed through the menu. Unfortunately this isn't something that's listed in the camera specs on product pages. Does anyone know of any camcorders or DSLRs $600 or less that have these manual settings for video?

Dave Blackhurst · July 11th, 2013, 01:18 PM

Cheap camcorders are disappearing from the market (thank you, cell phone) - the Fry's I visited had mostly bare shelves... rather unexpected...

I don't think you will find ANY manual cams under $600 other than perhaps dual mode point & shoot cameras that also do video, and even those will have limited manual as video is a secondary feature.

One camera worth a look that MIGHT be coming down a bit in price now an update has announced (it's held it's price through its entire market cycle so far) is the Sony DSC-RX100. It does allow manual adjustments in video, but it may spoil the students with it's small size and portability along with a pretty strong feature set. It could just sneak in under $600 if it goes on sale or closeout...

Mark Rosenzweig · July 11th, 2013, 01:34 PM

The Panasonic LX7 has full manual controls in video, but beyond PASM and manual focus and focus lock, also has controls for sharpness, noise reduction, saturation, sharpness in video. Does high-speed video as well (720p at 120fps). Does 108060p video and MP4. It takes great video, with a sensor size that is larger than most camcorders but not so large to get aliasing like the RX100 and it has an f1.4 lens at the wide end.

And, it is one of the only consumer cams that has a built-in ND filter that you can manually invoke! It sometimes sells for $350 new.

Chip Gallo · July 11th, 2013, 01:48 PM

I would suggest a refurbished Canon HF-G10 at around $625 but I don't see it on the Canon Direct site any more. That is, if you don't mind a touch screen.

Chris Frechette · July 11th, 2013, 03:31 PM

It's still there, you just have to access it directly. They have sales fairly often which can bring it down to around 550 or less. Of course it may not be in stock when another sale happens.

Canon VIXIA HF G10 Refurbished | Canon Online Store

Chip Gallo · July 11th, 2013, 08:30 PM

Thanks Chris. I really want a 3rd one and almost snapped one up last time you posted that link :-)

Bill Bruner · July 12th, 2013, 04:48 AM

Hi Britt - below $600, I would get a Panasonic FZ200. Like the LX-7 it has full manual control of aperture, shutter speed, and ISO (gain) - plus a viewfinder and a 2.5mm mic input (you will need a $5 adapter to use it with standard 3.5mm mics). It has no built-in ND filter, however.

Here is what this camera can do (please watch at 720p):

Here is a documentary shot with the FZ200:

As of this post, the Panasonic DMC-FZ200 is $548 new at Amazon.

Hope this is helpful!

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Britt Pitre · July 12th, 2013, 06:16 AM

Thanks for the great suggestions, there are definitely some options there.

Dave Blackhurst · July 12th, 2013, 02:13 PM

As a fan of the "bridge camera" form factor myself, I'd say that FZ200 might be the best of the options out there (I'd toss in the Sony HX300 I've got... IF it had manual video control, but video is a "auto" affair - takes good video, but it makes all the decisions!).

The "bridge" cameras of course have a smaller sensor, but usually have a pretty good lens and lens range so they are versatile, and not so big as to attract attention or be a pain to lug around. They are probably as close as you can get to a "cheap consumer camcorder" with full features nowadays! Plus the prices are not too bad for what they give you.

Arnie Schlissel · July 12th, 2013, 02:23 PM

You might want to look for some used DSLRs. Or if you can raise your budget a bit, maybe you can pick up a few Black Magic Pocket Cinema cameras when they start shipping.

Bill Bruner · July 12th, 2013, 05:33 PM

Britt - another option that will give you terrific image quality (as good as a DSLR) for not a lot of money, is the Canon EOS M, which is on closeout with the 18-55 STM lens for $349 at Amazon as of this post.

This camera has full manual control, a standard 3.5mm mic jack and a much larger sensor than the FZ200 I recommended above.

Here is what the EOS M can do:

These cameras will not last at this price. If this looks like what you need for your students, you should pick them up soon.

Good luck!

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution

Matt Sharp · July 13th, 2013, 01:47 AM

I second the EOS-M, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/898072-REG/Canon_6609b074_EOS_M_Mirrorless_Digital_Camera.html. Most consumer camcorders don't even have real exposure settings, on Sonys you can only pick one at a time: AE shift, exposure, iris, shutter speed, or gain. A DSLR or mirrorless camera would be the way to go on the cheap.

D.J. Ammons · July 16th, 2013, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip Gallo

I would suggest a refurbished Canon HF-G10 at around $625 but I don't see it on the Canon Direct site any more. That is, if you don't mind a touch screen.

Today they have the refurbed ones for $519.00!!!!

Britt Pitre · July 17th, 2013, 07:59 AM

Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm finally getting around to researching these cameras and as usual, it's difficult to find a review that actually comes out and says that the video settings are manual - especially since most of the reviews focus on the still aspects of the camera.

I just wanted to double check with everyone to confirm that the Panasonic LX7M, Panasonic FZ200 and the Canon EOS M actually have manual settings for aperture, shutter and gain/iso while the camera is in video mode. The only reason why I'm suspicious, especially in the case of the Canon - is that Canon's DSLRs in the $800 - $1000 range don't have full manual controls while in video mode.

Any further feedback would be appreciated.

Donald McPherson · July 17th, 2013, 10:05 AM

The Canon EOS-M can also use Magic Lantern which will give you all the manual controls and more for your students.

July 11th, 2013, 11:55 AM	#1
Britt Pitre New Boot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 5	Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Hello everyone, I teach video production at a community college and we will be purchasing some new equipment soon. I'd like to purchase a set of cheap camcorders to use in the intro to video class while keeping the nicer cameras for the more advanced classes. The only hang up is that I would like the cheaper cameras to have manual settings for aperture, shutter speed and gain - even if they have to be accessed through the menu. Unfortunately this isn't something that's listed in the camera specs on product pages. Does anyone know of any camcorders or DSLRs $600 or less that have these manual settings for video?

July 11th, 2013, 01:18 PM	#2
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Cheap camcorders are disappearing from the market (thank you, cell phone) - the Fry's I visited had mostly bare shelves... rather unexpected... I don't think you will find ANY manual cams under $600 other than perhaps dual mode point & shoot cameras that also do video, and even those will have limited manual as video is a secondary feature. One camera worth a look that MIGHT be coming down a bit in price now an update has announced (it's held it's price through its entire market cycle so far) is the Sony DSC-RX100. It does allow manual adjustments in video, but it may spoil the students with it's small size and portability along with a pretty strong feature set. It could just sneak in under $600 if it goes on sale or closeout...

July 11th, 2013, 01:34 PM	#3
Mark Rosenzweig Trustee Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 1,004	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. The Panasonic LX7 has full manual controls in video, but beyond PASM and manual focus and focus lock, also has controls for sharpness, noise reduction, saturation, sharpness in video. Does high-speed video as well (720p at 120fps). Does 108060p video and MP4. It takes great video, with a sensor size that is larger than most camcorders but not so large to get aliasing like the RX100 and it has an f1.4 lens at the wide end. And, it is one of the only consumer cams that has a built-in ND filter that you can manually invoke! It sometimes sells for $350 new.

July 11th, 2013, 01:48 PM	#4
Chip Gallo Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Harpers Ferry, WV USA Posts: 164	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. I would suggest a refurbished Canon HF-G10 at around $625 but I don't see it on the Canon Direct site any more. That is, if you don't mind a touch screen. __________________ * http://www.vimeo.com/chipgallo *

July 11th, 2013, 03:31 PM	#5
Chris Frechette New Boot Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 15	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. It's still there, you just have to access it directly. They have sales fairly often which can bring it down to around 550 or less. Of course it may not be in stock when another sale happens. Canon VIXIA HF G10 Refurbished \| Canon Online Store

July 11th, 2013, 08:30 PM	#6
Chip Gallo Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Harpers Ferry, WV USA Posts: 164	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Thanks Chris. I really want a 3rd one and almost snapped one up last time you posted that link :-) __________________ * http://www.vimeo.com/chipgallo *

July 12th, 2013, 04:48 AM	#7
Bill Bruner Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sunny California Posts: 513	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Hi Britt - below $600, I would get a Panasonic FZ200. Like the LX-7 it has full manual control of aperture, shutter speed, and ISO (gain) - plus a viewfinder and a 2.5mm mic input (you will need a $5 adapter to use it with standard 3.5mm mics). It has no built-in ND filter, however. Here is what this camera can do (please watch at 720p): Panasonic LUMIX DMC-FZ200 Beautiful 120fps High-Speed and Fantastic Effects - YouTube Here is a documentary shot with the FZ200: The Young Dick Tiger- short doc on Vimeo As of this post, the Panasonic DMC-FZ200 is $548 new at Amazon. Hope this is helpful! Bill Hybrid Camera Revolution

July 12th, 2013, 06:16 AM	#8
Britt Pitre New Boot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 5	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Thanks for the great suggestions, there are definitely some options there.

July 12th, 2013, 02:13 PM	#9
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. As a fan of the "bridge camera" form factor myself, I'd say that FZ200 might be the best of the options out there (I'd toss in the Sony HX300 I've got... IF it had manual video control, but video is a "auto" affair - takes good video, but it makes all the decisions!). The "bridge" cameras of course have a smaller sensor, but usually have a pretty good lens and lens range so they are versatile, and not so big as to attract attention or be a pain to lug around. They are probably as close as you can get to a "cheap consumer camcorder" with full features nowadays! Plus the prices are not too bad for what they give you.

July 12th, 2013, 02:23 PM	#10
Arnie Schlissel Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York NY Posts: 322	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. You might want to look for some used DSLRs. Or if you can raise your budget a bit, maybe you can pick up a few Black Magic Pocket Cinema cameras when they start shipping. __________________ Post production is not an afterthought! www.arniepix.com

July 12th, 2013, 05:33 PM	#11
Bill Bruner Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sunny California Posts: 513	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Britt - another option that will give you terrific image quality (as good as a DSLR) for not a lot of money, is the Canon EOS M, which is on closeout with the 18-55 STM lens for $349 at Amazon as of this post. This camera has full manual control, a standard 3.5mm mic jack and a much larger sensor than the FZ200 I recommended above. Here is what the EOS M can do: Canon EOS M Video: New York City on Vimeo These cameras will not last at this price. If this looks like what you need for your students, you should pick them up soon. Good luck! Bill Hybrid Camera Revolution

July 13th, 2013, 01:47 AM	#12
Matt Sharp Major Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Northridge, CA Posts: 280	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. I second the EOS-M, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/898072-REG/Canon_6609b074_EOS_M_Mirrorless_Digital_Camera.html. Most consumer camcorders don't even have real exposure settings, on Sonys you can only pick one at a time: AE shift, exposure, iris, shutter speed, or gain. A DSLR or mirrorless camera would be the way to go on the cheap.

July 17th, 2013, 07:59 AM	#14
Britt Pitre New Boot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 5	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm finally getting around to researching these cameras and as usual, it's difficult to find a review that actually comes out and says that the video settings are manual - especially since most of the reviews focus on the still aspects of the camera. I just wanted to double check with everyone to confirm that the Panasonic LX7M, Panasonic FZ200 and the Canon EOS M actually have manual settings for aperture, shutter and gain/iso while the camera is in video mode. The only reason why I'm suspicious, especially in the case of the Canon - is that Canon's DSLRs in the $800 - $1000 range don't have full manual controls while in video mode. Any further feedback would be appreciated.

July 17th, 2013, 10:05 AM	#15
Donald McPherson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Aberdeen Scotland Posts: 815	Re: Cheapest Camcorder with full manual settings. The Canon EOS-M can also use Magic Lantern which will give you all the manual controls and more for your students.