New cameras and 1080 p 60fps at DVinfo.net

Mark Donnell · December 19th, 2011, 08:54 AM

After looking at all of the new cameras out there, I have concluded that none meet my particular needs. I definitely need 60 fps for sports recording, and I need hand-held form factor. I also need at least a 14x telephoto capability. I have a HPX-170, which delivers terrific 720 p 60 video, but the next step up will be 1080 p 60. Currently, the only codac that I am aware of that delivers 1080 p 60 is AVCHD, and the only camera out there that comes close to my needs is the Sony NEX-FS100. Unfortunately, the Sony lens for this camera is only 11x, and the bit rate is a fairly low 28 Mbs. I have read that major television players in both the US and in Europe are considering a move to 1080p 60 as the next broadcast standard, so hopefully more cameras will be coming that can record 1080 p 60, but for now we video people probably need to continue with 720 p 60.

Dylan Couper · December 19th, 2011, 01:19 PM

Why are you telling us?

Go tell Sony/Panny/Canon/JVC instead.

Mark Donnell · December 19th, 2011, 01:47 PM

Dylan - the reason to post here is that some manufacturer's reps actually read these forums from time-to-time. Also, there are other members who might wish to share additional information about these topics. Sorry if you found this to be self-serving on my part.

Jerry Porter · December 19th, 2011, 01:52 PM

I'm pretty sure he was kidding...

Chris Hurd · December 19th, 2011, 02:03 PM

I'm pretty sure he's Canadian.

Shaun Roemich · December 19th, 2011, 02:45 PM

Blame Canada...

Shaun Roemich · December 20th, 2011, 01:24 PM

As well Mark, remember that SHOOTING is only one part of the puzzle piece. Post and delivery have a LONG way to go around 1080P60 material.

I love what I've seen out of the Sony FS100 in terms of 1080P60 and will be adopting that as my "house" format as soon as there is a workable Concept to Completion workflow available to me but until then, I mix 720P60, 1080P30 and 24 in house, as needed.

Michael Kraus · December 21st, 2011, 02:02 PM

It gets pretty difficult to make something like a 14X zoom for a camera with a large sensor such as the FS100. You would likely have to deal with using more than one lens.

One option for tighter shots may be this in the near future:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/755336-USA/Sigma_136205_120_300mm_f_2_8_EX_DG.html

Mark Donnell · December 21st, 2011, 09:55 PM

Very good point, Michael, one that I failed to immediately recognize. That Sony lens looks awesome, but at 6.5 lb plus the camera weight, I'll need to head to the gym for ENG-style work. I suspect that I will need a camera with a smaller sensor to get a reasonable 14x or better zoom. The 35 Mbs AVCHD 1080p 60 fps looks like a usable next-gen codac, we just need the camera to go with it.

December 19th, 2011, 08:54 AM	#1
Mark Donnell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver City, NM Posts: 385	New cameras and 1080 p 60fps After looking at all of the new cameras out there, I have concluded that none meet my particular needs. I definitely need 60 fps for sports recording, and I need hand-held form factor. I also need at least a 14x telephoto capability. I have a HPX-170, which delivers terrific 720 p 60 video, but the next step up will be 1080 p 60. Currently, the only codac that I am aware of that delivers 1080 p 60 is AVCHD, and the only camera out there that comes close to my needs is the Sony NEX-FS100. Unfortunately, the Sony lens for this camera is only 11x, and the bit rate is a fairly low 28 Mbs. I have read that major television players in both the US and in Europe are considering a move to 1080p 60 as the next broadcast standard, so hopefully more cameras will be coming that can record 1080 p 60, but for now we video people probably need to continue with 720 p 60.

December 19th, 2011, 01:19 PM	#2
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps Why are you telling us? Go tell Sony/Panny/Canon/JVC instead. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

December 19th, 2011, 01:47 PM	#3
Mark Donnell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver City, NM Posts: 385	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps Dylan - the reason to post here is that some manufacturer's reps actually read these forums from time-to-time. Also, there are other members who might wish to share additional information about these topics. Sorry if you found this to be self-serving on my part.

December 19th, 2011, 01:52 PM	#4
Jerry Porter Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Satellite Beach, Fl Posts: 784	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps I'm pretty sure he was kidding...

December 19th, 2011, 02:03 PM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps I'm pretty sure he's Canadian. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 19th, 2011, 02:45 PM	#6
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps Blame Canada... __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

December 20th, 2011, 01:24 PM	#7
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps As well Mark, remember that SHOOTING is only one part of the puzzle piece. Post and delivery have a LONG way to go around 1080P60 material. I love what I've seen out of the Sony FS100 in terms of 1080P60 and will be adopting that as my "house" format as soon as there is a workable Concept to Completion workflow available to me but until then, I mix 720P60, 1080P30 and 24 in house, as needed. __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

December 21st, 2011, 02:02 PM	#8
Michael Kraus Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 232	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps It gets pretty difficult to make something like a 14X zoom for a camera with a large sensor such as the FS100. You would likely have to deal with using more than one lens. One option for tighter shots may be this in the near future: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/755336-USA/Sigma_136205_120_300mm_f_2_8_EX_DG.html

December 21st, 2011, 09:55 PM	#9
Mark Donnell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver City, NM Posts: 385	Re: New cameras and 1080 p 60fps Very good point, Michael, one that I failed to immediately recognize. That Sony lens looks awesome, but at 6.5 lb plus the camera weight, I'll need to head to the gym for ENG-style work. I suspect that I will need a camera with a smaller sensor to get a reasonable 14x or better zoom. The 35 Mbs AVCHD 1080p 60 fps looks like a usable next-gen codac, we just need the camera to go with it.