1080/60p?

Paulo Teixeira · March 22nd, 2010, 01:44 AM

You'll find much more native 1920x1080 60p clips in this thread for you to download.
Panasonic HDC-HS700 & HDC-TM700 1080p60 cams - Page 5 - AVS Forum

Like I been saying in many places, Nero 9 ShowTime will play the files on a decent Windows computer. The Sony PlayStation 3 will also play the files.

Joe Ogiba · March 22nd, 2010, 09:29 AM

The files from Vimeo download very fast but the files from firestorage.jp are very slow to download.

Paulo Teixeira · March 22nd, 2010, 10:40 PM

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Jack Zhang · March 23rd, 2010, 04:38 AM

3 days left to get the files from Vimeo, get it while you can cause 1 week after upload, it will turn into a low quality MP4 file.

Even with hardware acceleration for H.264, my GTX 275 (which is a really beefy video card) only gets 45 frames per second at a Video Engine Load of 90%. Turning it off is worse, getting only 30 frames running off of the CPU. (this is Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic)

However, interestingly, Loading the file in Vegas Pro 9 and running it in "Preview (Half)" gets full framerate on my Quad Core...

Also, I find one post in the AVS forum (from Midnight Tboy) points out that directly copying the files from the camera without processing it through the bundled software might not make it work in certain media players, and I assume, editors too.

Joe Ogiba · March 25th, 2010, 08:23 PM

YouTube - [HD] Precision Tuned (293awhp) Subaru WRX 1/4 Mile

Jack Zhang · March 26th, 2010, 01:21 AM

Joe, that is not true 1080p60, that's 1080i60 as the guy was using a Canon. Canon is all 1080i right now.

Also, delivering 1080p60 on a service that only does 30p does not illustrate the smooth motion that is associate with 60p. The TM700 samples when downloaded are true 60p.

Here's a little note about playing the TM700 footage on a PS3. The framerate is NOT 60p, it is 45p as the PS3 can't catch up to the demand to decode the footage. Plus, the 5.1 sound isn't decodable on the PS3. (this is playing back non-raw files processed through the import software, maybe it's different playing directly from a AVCHD formatted memory card, IDK...)

Joe Ogiba · March 26th, 2010, 07:43 AM

Jack, you are correct, I see another video were he said he used his Canon HF S10.

Paulo Teixeira · March 26th, 2010, 04:33 PM

Where does it say that the PS3 plays it back at 45 frames per second? I understand the PS3 struggles with the files from Sanyo's camcorders. At least the files from the TM700 plays back at real time.

Anyway, I think the actual native files are MTS and if you transfer it to the computer using the software, it's T2TS.

Christopher Baranski · April 15th, 2010, 02:18 PM

I love the look of 60p. I care not about what the network broadcasters are doing they are dinosaurs in my eyes who need to go extinct.

To the future and beyond!

Felix van Oost · April 20th, 2010, 08:16 AM

Christopher, although I also hate the fact that the networks are sticking to interlaced footage for now, it's not really their fault. Telecommunications bandwidth limitations and the whole cable infrastructure in many countries just isn't capable of streaming 1080p/25, much less 1080p/60. In the future I also hope 60p will be the standard, but it won't happen too soon. At least broadcasters seem to be moving slowly towards progressive formats in general now.

Ron Evans · April 20th, 2010, 04:47 PM

1280x720P60 or P50 is part of the Bluray spec Blu-ray Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. 1280x720P60 is also use by several networks and transmitted over cable ( at least my cable) Mainly used for sports etc and specialty channels. I agree its not 1080 but it is progressive and classed as HD.

Ron Evans

Sander Vreuls · April 20th, 2010, 05:01 PM

There are 1080p50/60 camera's out there, however they are mostly multicam camera's and probably out of the price range for most. Camera's such as the LDK-8000 Elite Worldcam can do it but so far there has been no real demand for it.

However the 1080p50/60 is a recent addition to the Grass Valley range.. only that particular camera has it. The slow motion variants aren't out yet in 1080p flavor. However we can hope that in a few year 1080p50/60 will become standard :)

March 22nd, 2010, 01:44 AM	#31
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	You'll find much more native 1920x1080 60p clips in this thread for you to download. Panasonic HDC-HS700 & HDC-TM700 1080p60 cams - Page 5 - AVS Forum Like I been saying in many places, Nero 9 ShowTime will play the files on a decent Windows computer. The Sony PlayStation 3 will also play the files. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 22nd, 2010, 10:40 PM	#33
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	This might be of interest to you. It's speeds up your downloads if the server on the other end is slow. It works for most files. Free Download Manager - absolutely free download accelerator and manager __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 23rd, 2010, 04:38 AM	#34
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	3 days left to get the files from Vimeo, get it while you can cause 1 week after upload, it will turn into a low quality MP4 file. Even with hardware acceleration for H.264, my GTX 275 (which is a really beefy video card) only gets 45 frames per second at a Video Engine Load of 90%. Turning it off is worse, getting only 30 frames running off of the CPU. (this is Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic) However, interestingly, Loading the file in Vegas Pro 9 and running it in "Preview (Half)" gets full framerate on my Quad Core... Also, I find one post in the AVS forum (from Midnight Tboy) points out that directly copying the files from the camera without processing it through the bundled software might not make it work in certain media players, and I assume, editors too. Last edited by Jack Zhang; March 23rd, 2010 at 05:10 AM.

March 25th, 2010, 08:23 PM	#35
Joe Ogiba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 194	1080p60 Drag Racing in low light YouTube - [HD] Precision Tuned (293awhp) Subaru WRX 1/4 Mile

March 26th, 2010, 04:33 PM	#38
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Where does it say that the PS3 plays it back at 45 frames per second? I understand the PS3 struggles with the files from Sanyo's camcorders. At least the files from the TM700 plays back at real time. Anyway, I think the actual native files are MTS and if you transfer it to the computer using the software, it's T2TS. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 22nd, 2010, 09:29 AM	#32
Joe Ogiba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 194	The files from Vimeo download very fast but the files from firestorage.jp are very slow to download.

March 26th, 2010, 01:21 AM	#36
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Joe, that is not true 1080p60, that's 1080i60 as the guy was using a Canon. Canon is all 1080i right now. Also, delivering 1080p60 on a service that only does 30p does not illustrate the smooth motion that is associate with 60p. The TM700 samples when downloaded are true 60p. Here's a little note about playing the TM700 footage on a PS3. The framerate is NOT 60p, it is 45p as the PS3 can't catch up to the demand to decode the footage. Plus, the 5.1 sound isn't decodable on the PS3. (this is playing back non-raw files processed through the import software, maybe it's different playing directly from a AVCHD formatted memory card, IDK...)

March 26th, 2010, 07:43 AM	#37
Joe Ogiba Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 194	Jack, you are correct, I see another video were he said he used his Canon HF S10.

April 15th, 2010, 02:18 PM	#39
Christopher Baranski Tourist Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Albany New York Posts: 2	I love the look of 60p. I care not about what the network broadcasters are doing they are dinosaurs in my eyes who need to go extinct. To the future and beyond!

April 20th, 2010, 08:16 AM	#40
Felix van Oost Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 72	Christopher, although I also hate the fact that the networks are sticking to interlaced footage for now, it's not really their fault. Telecommunications bandwidth limitations and the whole cable infrastructure in many countries just isn't capable of streaming 1080p/25, much less 1080p/60. In the future I also hope 60p will be the standard, but it won't happen too soon. At least broadcasters seem to be moving slowly towards progressive formats in general now.

April 20th, 2010, 04:47 PM	#41
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,222	1280x720P60 or P50 is part of the Bluray spec Blu-ray Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. 1280x720P60 is also use by several networks and transmitted over cable ( at least my cable) Mainly used for sports etc and specialty channels. I agree its not 1080 but it is progressive and classed as HD. Ron Evans

April 20th, 2010, 05:01 PM	#42
Sander Vreuls Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hilversum, The Netherlands Posts: 184	There are 1080p50/60 camera's out there, however they are mostly multicam camera's and probably out of the price range for most. Camera's such as the LDK-8000 Elite Worldcam can do it but so far there has been no real demand for it. However the 1080p50/60 is a recent addition to the Grass Valley range.. only that particular camera has it. The slow motion variants aren't out yet in 1080p flavor. However we can hope that in a few year 1080p50/60 will become standard :)