HD TVs in the next year

David Kennett · November 9th, 2004, 10:38 AM

Back in 1965 I bought my first color TV (21" round tube Zenith) for $400. I was making about $10k a year, and bread was somewhere around $.29 a loaf - hamburger $.39 a pound. In 1069 I bought a new Chevy for $4k. Makes $2500 for HDTV seem about right!

Betsy Moore · November 9th, 2004, 11:43 AM

Not 1080i, I'm asking about 1080p. Of course every computer monitor is already that and beyond. And there is one rear projection TV on sale for 20,000 that's 1080p--the question is do you think it's going to come down significantly in the coming year.

^^^1080i already here. ^^^
<<<-- Originally posted by Betsy Moore : Do you think there will be a 1080p TV for under 20,000 dollars (the current going rate) by the end of next year? -->>>

Greg Harris · November 9th, 2004, 12:13 PM

geez, I feel like a baby compared to most of you guys, I can hardly remeber the 80's.

Jeff Kilgroe · November 9th, 2004, 12:45 PM

The price on 1080p displays will most certainly come down. HD-DVD or BluRay HD will help drive this and the demand for 1080p as well. It seems the DVD-Forum and all the major studios are in agreement on what to put on the discs, but we're headed for a battle over which type of disc to put it on (HD-DVD vs. BluRay).

Anyway, right now there are only a handful of 1080p HDTV sets out there and most are under $20,000. The 82" Mitsubishi LCOS set is 1920x1080p native and it is absolutely stunning. ...It can be purchased for about $14~$16K from most reasonable dealers although price is going up since these are fairly scarce and most people don't have the room for such a beast. I can't recall exact models off the top of my head right now, but I do know of at least 2 other LCOS 1080p sets on the market that are cheaper than the Mitsubishi 82".

Right now 1280x720p is the norm for DLP sets, but I think we will see a shift to 1080p with newer models in about 6 to 8 months. Same goes for DLP and LCD projectors - right now they're hanging out at 720/768 vertical res, but 1080 is just around the corner.

Anyway, I'm hoping that I'm right... I'll be in the market for a bigscreen HDTV of some type next fall so all these manufacturers better get their stuff together by then. I don't want to buy anything that doesn't do at least 1080p native resolution.

Tony Roulston · November 10th, 2004, 10:16 PM

Trying to decide between the Sony Wega 1080i CRT and the new Toshiba 1080i+ crt.

Sony's price has yet to catch up with the currnetly discounted Toshy, $5200 AUD for the Sony vs $3300 AUD for the Toshiba

Both 86cm screens.

What seems to be missing from the Toshy is a DVi input.

I still think that the Sony has the better picture though.

Tony

Jeff Kilgroe · November 11th, 2004, 11:30 AM

<<<-- What seems to be missing from the Toshy is a DVi input.

I still think that the Sony has the better picture though. -->>>

Those two statements should be all you need to go by. First of all, if the new set doesn't have DVI or HDMI (HDMI is DVI + digital audio in a single connection), then you don't want it. You will need DVI or HDMI connections on your HDTV set to view upcoming HD-DVD (or HD BluRay) movie releases due to the copy protection issues.

Beyond that, a better picture always costs more money...

Greg Harris · November 15th, 2004, 08:40 AM

Tony, I can't seem to find the sony youre talking about. Do you have a link from b&h or from sonystyle.com?? thanks

Greg Harris · November 15th, 2004, 08:42 AM

what about this 60" Grand Wega?

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDF60XS955&Dept=tv&CategoryName=tv&INT=sstyle-tv-feat_01-KDF60XS955

Tony Roulston · November 15th, 2004, 03:21 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Greg Harris : Tony, I can't seem to find the sony youre talking about. Do you have a link from b&h or from sonystyle.com?? thanks -->>>

I had thought they had DVI but no, my mistake.

Anyway I ended up buying a 76CM WIDESCREEN FD TRINITRON WEGA TV KVHR32M31

Picked it up for $2400 aud. No DVI but 1080i, more component inputs than I need, looks and works great. And not to be under valued, it fit into the existing entertainment cabinet in the lounge room.

I was going to select a STB that had DVI inputs but is was otherwise a heap of garbage.

Via the STB HD broadcast images are noticably better than any LCD or Plasma that I have seen.

High-Q DVDs look great.

Tony

November 9th, 2004, 10:38 AM	#16
David Kennett Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Ridgeville, Ohio Posts: 407	Back in 1965 I bought my first color TV (21" round tube Zenith) for $400. I was making about $10k a year, and bread was somewhere around $.29 a loaf - hamburger $.39 a pound. In 1069 I bought a new Chevy for $4k. Makes $2500 for HDTV seem about right! __________________ Dave

November 9th, 2004, 12:45 PM	#19
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	The price on 1080p displays will most certainly come down. HD-DVD or BluRay HD will help drive this and the demand for 1080p as well. It seems the DVD-Forum and all the major studios are in agreement on what to put on the discs, but we're headed for a battle over which type of disc to put it on (HD-DVD vs. BluRay). Anyway, right now there are only a handful of 1080p HDTV sets out there and most are under $20,000. The 82" Mitsubishi LCOS set is 1920x1080p native and it is absolutely stunning. ...It can be purchased for about $14~$16K from most reasonable dealers although price is going up since these are fairly scarce and most people don't have the room for such a beast. I can't recall exact models off the top of my head right now, but I do know of at least 2 other LCOS 1080p sets on the market that are cheaper than the Mitsubishi 82". Right now 1280x720p is the norm for DLP sets, but I think we will see a shift to 1080p with newer models in about 6 to 8 months. Same goes for DLP and LCD projectors - right now they're hanging out at 720/768 vertical res, but 1080 is just around the corner. Anyway, I'm hoping that I'm right... I'll be in the market for a bigscreen HDTV of some type next fall so all these manufacturers better get their stuff together by then. I don't want to buy anything that doesn't do at least 1080p native resolution. __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

November 10th, 2004, 10:16 PM	#20
Tony Roulston Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 30	Toshiba vs Sony Trying to decide between the Sony Wega 1080i CRT and the new Toshiba 1080i+ crt. Sony's price has yet to catch up with the currnetly discounted Toshy, $5200 AUD for the Sony vs $3300 AUD for the Toshiba Both 86cm screens. What seems to be missing from the Toshy is a DVi input. I still think that the Sony has the better picture though. Tony

November 11th, 2004, 11:30 AM	#21
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	Re: Toshiba vs Sony <<<-- What seems to be missing from the Toshy is a DVi input. I still think that the Sony has the better picture though. -->>> Those two statements should be all you need to go by. First of all, if the new set doesn't have DVI or HDMI (HDMI is DVI + digital audio in a single connection), then you don't want it. You will need DVI or HDMI connections on your HDTV set to view upcoming HD-DVD (or HD BluRay) movie releases due to the copy protection issues. Beyond that, a better picture always costs more money... __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

November 15th, 2004, 03:21 PM	#24
Tony Roulston Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 30	My mistake <<<-- Originally posted by Greg Harris : Tony, I can't seem to find the sony youre talking about. Do you have a link from b&h or from sonystyle.com?? thanks -->>> I had thought they had DVI but no, my mistake. Anyway I ended up buying a 76CM WIDESCREEN FD TRINITRON WEGA TV KVHR32M31 Picked it up for $2400 aud. No DVI but 1080i, more component inputs than I need, looks and works great. And not to be under valued, it fit into the existing entertainment cabinet in the lounge room. I was going to select a STB that had DVI inputs but is was otherwise a heap of garbage. Via the STB HD broadcast images are noticably better than any LCD or Plasma that I have seen. High-Q DVDs look great. Tony

November 9th, 2004, 11:43 AM	#17
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	Not 1080i, I'm asking about 1080p. Of course every computer monitor is already that and beyond. And there is one rear projection TV on sale for 20,000 that's 1080p--the question is do you think it's going to come down significantly in the coming year. ^^^1080i already here. ^^^ <<<-- Originally posted by Betsy Moore : Do you think there will be a 1080p TV for under 20,000 dollars (the current going rate) by the end of next year? -->>>

November 9th, 2004, 12:13 PM	#18
Greg Harris Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 356	geez, I feel like a baby compared to most of you guys, I can hardly remeber the 80's.

November 15th, 2004, 08:40 AM	#22
Greg Harris Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 356	Tony, I can't seem to find the sony youre talking about. Do you have a link from b&h or from sonystyle.com?? thanks

November 15th, 2004, 08:42 AM	#23
Greg Harris Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 356	what about this 60" Grand Wega? http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDF60XS955&Dept=tv&CategoryName=tv&INT=sstyle-tv-feat_01-KDF60XS955