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Ruben Senderey · September 17th, 2004, 06:55 PM

SO YOU GET THE CAMCORDER HDV YOU EDIT HDV ,CAN YOU WATCH HDV ON THE COSTUMER REGULAR DVD PLAYER?

SO ALL THAT QUALITY BUT AT THE END THE COSTUMER NEED HDV DVD PLAYER , RIGHT ?

OR IAM MISSING SOMETHING,
YOUR ANSWER ARE WELCOME.....

Giroud Francois · September 18th, 2004, 01:50 PM

if you consider that DVD is the only way to look at video, then yes, you got a problem.

To mention other methods

D-VHS (no, tapes doesn't sucks, what about you DV cam ?)
computer files on DVD , played with computer.
playing directly from computer Harddisk
using your HDV cam to play back.
using a compatible HD DVD (Bravo or others coming next)

Anyway the storage media is not the only problem.
Do you own an HD compatible screen ?

Gary McClurg · September 18th, 2004, 02:55 PM

The movies you rent from Blockbuster aren't HD DVD. It's all down converted to SD. If its half as good as HD and better than DV. It'll give us a better image.

Michael Pappas · September 18th, 2004, 05:15 PM

It's always better to start out with the highest quality. Then work your way down from there if needed.

Ruben Senderey · September 19th, 2004, 12:21 AM

SO AT THE END THE CANON XL2 16:9 CAN DO ALMOST THE SAME JOB LIKE SONY HDR-FX1 HDV , SINCE THE COSTUMER WILL BE WATCHING ON DVD WITH HI DEF TV LIKE I WATCH RENTAL MOVIES....

Les Dit · September 19th, 2004, 01:19 AM

YOU MUST THINK AHEAD. THERE WILL BE HD-DVD SOON, AND WHO CARES ABOUT THE DVD FORMAT. DV CAMERAS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A WEB CAMERA, IN A FEW YEARS THEY WILL ALL BE IN A THRIFT SHOP, OR MAYBE KIDS WILL LIKE THEM.

Heath McKnight · September 19th, 2004, 01:40 PM

No need for all caps, gents. Interesting discussion, though!

heath

Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn · September 21st, 2004, 10:55 PM

well, in fact if you have an HDV source to go to RGB and downsize to SD, then you would have a 4:4:4 SD master to work from and that is very nice ;)

Eric Bilodeau · September 22nd, 2004, 09:22 AM

Not exactly 4:4:4, more like 4:2:2 :) Consumer HD is not likely to be that common for at least a decade. There are still a lot of VHS out there and DVD is beginning to be a widely used standard even though it has been there for years. I know a lot of people still buying VHS tapes even though I've totally stopped buying them for 6 years now. A lot of interlace 4:3 television sets are still being bought and not much true HD broadcasting yet. DV will be around for quite some time still even though we, the indie filmmakers, (some but not all of us) have already decided to switch, we are far ahead of the average consumer market (except the guys eager to impress their neighbors with their hi-tech gadgets...) :D.

The XL2 might have been a mistake from an "HD indie fan" point of view but it will most definitely fill a large demand, like it or not.

Ruben Senderey · September 22nd, 2004, 11:47 AM

So you think it will be posible to shot HD 16:9 edit on SD 16:9 and delivered a 16:9 dvd ,if they have a 16:9 tv set thats fine, what if they have a regular tv 4:3....

Eric Bilodeau · September 22nd, 2004, 11:51 AM

a 16:9 DVD should automatically adjust to fit your screen's ratio, it does not matter if your TV is 4:3 or 16:9

Murad Toor · September 22nd, 2004, 11:56 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ruben Senderey : So you think it will be posible to shot HD 16:9 edit on SD 16:9 and delivered a 16:9 dvd ,if they have a 16:9 tv set thats fine, what if they have a regular tv 4:3.... -->>>

Many (if not most) DVD players will letterbox a 16:9 image to fit on a 4:3 screen. It's a matter of going into your DVD player's settings.

Alternatively, these days you can find consumer 4:3 TVs with raster compression, which would give even better resolution because all the TV lines go into the image, instead of being wasted on blank space.

Michael Pappas · September 22nd, 2004, 12:02 PM

I just had this discussion the other day with a friend that still has SD clients and will want future SD projects. He felt that HDV would not be good for him right now. Not true, he can shoot the project in HD, edit HD and the make a SD version from that HD final master. The positive side, he will have a HD master for his client down the road, and archive the HD master. It's no different if you were doing a photo shoot and you had a choice between shooting with a 3MP or a 11MP digital SLR. I would start out with the best and go from there.

Eric Bilodeau · September 22nd, 2004, 12:08 PM

You are right. Still, upgrading to HD acquisition is a thing, upgrading to HD editing is another when you already have a SD workstation and you want to make the most out of it. The push to do the changes will not be as efficient to everybody, people will wonder why they should pay more for a similar result. I would, because of the final product being better when shot in HD downsized but the client often are unable to see the difference and won't pay more for an equivalent result. It's all a question of demand from the clients.

Ruben Senderey · September 22nd, 2004, 12:25 PM

well its nice to know that we just need the hdcam ,the editing investment will come later...

September 17th, 2004, 06:55 PM	#1
Ruben Senderey Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: LAUDERHILL FLORIDA Posts: 47	Hdv Final Product SO YOU GET THE CAMCORDER HDV YOU EDIT HDV ,CAN YOU WATCH HDV ON THE COSTUMER REGULAR DVD PLAYER? SO ALL THAT QUALITY BUT AT THE END THE COSTUMER NEED HDV DVD PLAYER , RIGHT ? OR IAM MISSING SOMETHING, YOUR ANSWER ARE WELCOME.....

September 19th, 2004, 12:21 AM	#5
Ruben Senderey Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: LAUDERHILL FLORIDA Posts: 47	HDV FINAL PRODUCT SO AT THE END THE CANON XL2 16:9 CAN DO ALMOST THE SAME JOB LIKE SONY HDR-FX1 HDV , SINCE THE COSTUMER WILL BE WATCHING ON DVD WITH HI DEF TV LIKE I WATCH RENTAL MOVIES....

September 19th, 2004, 01:40 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	No need for all caps, gents. Interesting discussion, though! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 22nd, 2004, 09:22 AM	#9
Eric Bilodeau Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicoutimi, Canada Posts: 334	Not exactly 4:4:4, more like 4:2:2 :) Consumer HD is not likely to be that common for at least a decade. There are still a lot of VHS out there and DVD is beginning to be a widely used standard even though it has been there for years. I know a lot of people still buying VHS tapes even though I've totally stopped buying them for 6 years now. A lot of interlace 4:3 television sets are still being bought and not much true HD broadcasting yet. DV will be around for quite some time still even though we, the indie filmmakers, (some but not all of us) have already decided to switch, we are far ahead of the average consumer market (except the guys eager to impress their neighbors with their hi-tech gadgets...) :D. The XL2 might have been a mistake from an "HD indie fan" point of view but it will most definitely fill a large demand, like it or not. __________________ Eric Bilodeau video SFX,DOP ___________________ http://www.fictis.net info@fictis.net

September 22nd, 2004, 11:51 AM	#11
Eric Bilodeau Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicoutimi, Canada Posts: 334	a 16:9 DVD should automatically adjust to fit your screen's ratio, it does not matter if your TV is 4:3 or 16:9 __________________ Eric Bilodeau video SFX,DOP ___________________ http://www.fictis.net info@fictis.net

September 18th, 2004, 01:50 PM	#2
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	if you consider that DVD is the only way to look at video, then yes, you got a problem. To mention other methods D-VHS (no, tapes doesn't sucks, what about you DV cam ?) computer files on DVD , played with computer. playing directly from computer Harddisk using your HDV cam to play back. using a compatible HD DVD (Bravo or others coming next) Anyway the storage media is not the only problem. Do you own an HD compatible screen ?

September 18th, 2004, 02:55 PM	#3
Gary McClurg Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Springfield, MO, USA Posts: 389	The movies you rent from Blockbuster aren't HD DVD. It's all down converted to SD. If its half as good as HD and better than DV. It'll give us a better image.

September 18th, 2004, 05:15 PM	#4
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	It's always better to start out with the highest quality. Then work your way down from there if needed.

September 19th, 2004, 01:19 AM	#6
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	YOU MUST THINK AHEAD. THERE WILL BE HD-DVD SOON, AND WHO CARES ABOUT THE DVD FORMAT. DV CAMERAS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A WEB CAMERA, IN A FEW YEARS THEY WILL ALL BE IN A THRIFT SHOP, OR MAYBE KIDS WILL LIKE THEM.

September 21st, 2004, 10:55 PM	#8
Juan M. M. Fiebelkorn Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Buenos Aires , Argentina Posts: 444	well, in fact if you have an HDV source to go to RGB and downsize to SD, then you would have a 4:4:4 SD master to work from and that is very nice ;)

September 22nd, 2004, 11:47 AM	#10
Ruben Senderey Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: LAUDERHILL FLORIDA Posts: 47	So you think it will be posible to shot HD 16:9 edit on SD 16:9 and delivered a 16:9 dvd ,if they have a 16:9 tv set thats fine, what if they have a regular tv 4:3....

September 22nd, 2004, 11:56 AM	#12
Murad Toor Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 125	<<<-- Originally posted by Ruben Senderey : So you think it will be posible to shot HD 16:9 edit on SD 16:9 and delivered a 16:9 dvd ,if they have a 16:9 tv set thats fine, what if they have a regular tv 4:3.... -->>> Many (if not most) DVD players will letterbox a 16:9 image to fit on a 4:3 screen. It's a matter of going into your DVD player's settings. Alternatively, these days you can find consumer 4:3 TVs with raster compression, which would give even better resolution because all the TV lines go into the image, instead of being wasted on blank space.

September 22nd, 2004, 12:02 PM	#13
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	I just had this discussion the other day with a friend that still has SD clients and will want future SD projects. He felt that HDV would not be good for him right now. Not true, he can shoot the project in HD, edit HD and the make a SD version from that HD final master. The positive side, he will have a HD master for his client down the road, and archive the HD master. It's no different if you were doing a photo shoot and you had a choice between shooting with a 3MP or a 11MP digital SLR. I would start out with the best and go from there.

September 22nd, 2004, 12:08 PM	#14
Eric Bilodeau Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicoutimi, Canada Posts: 334	You are right. Still, upgrading to HD acquisition is a thing, upgrading to HD editing is another when you already have a SD workstation and you want to make the most out of it. The push to do the changes will not be as efficient to everybody, people will wonder why they should pay more for a similar result. I would, because of the final product being better when shot in HD downsized but the client often are unable to see the difference and won't pay more for an equivalent result. It's all a question of demand from the clients. __________________ Eric Bilodeau video SFX,DOP ___________________ http://www.fictis.net info@fictis.net

September 22nd, 2004, 12:25 PM	#15
Ruben Senderey Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: LAUDERHILL FLORIDA Posts: 47	Final product well its nice to know that we just need the hdcam ,the editing investment will come later...