Continuous recording issues when recording in HDV M2T at DVinfo.net

Natan Pakman · September 3rd, 2009, 10:19 AM

I realize that they have been a few other posts on this topic, but I haven't been able to find specific answers to my issues.

I am trying to use an FS-4 HD to record a continuous hour-long shot, to be used in Premiere Pro CS3. As everybody knows, b/c of the file size limit, when recording in the HDV format (M2T, not quicktime) you get about 8 to 9 minutes of footage, and then a new clip is automatically created. I ran a test and found they there was a noticeable jump, that appeared to be about one or two frames worth, at the seams of the clips.

Given that it's difficult for me to believe that such an expensive item would lead to such unprofessional problems, are there any solutions to this problem?

On a side note, is it at all possible to use the HD quicktime codec on the FS-4 HD and use it on a PC, in Premiere? And would this better handle the seams or would it be the same issue?

Matt Bigwood · September 7th, 2009, 02:39 PM

Hi Natan

I've never been successful in using my firestore FS4HD recording in HDV. I shot a day-long project last year using my Sony FX1e and the Firestore in HDV (M2T files), but had so many bad issues (timecode breaks, audio out of sync) that I captured all the footage from the tape. I was also using Premiere Pro CS3.

I have contacted Focus Enhancements in the past about a possible upgrade to record Quicktime files, but this can only be enabled (at a cost) on the FS4 Pro model. I really have to say that the FS4HD is one of the worst things I have ever bought in connection with video. It was expensive (over £700) and it has a short battery life, added to which the ridiculous alarm that sounds when the battery is getting low and ruins the soundtrack.

I only use the FS4 now to record in SD as a backup on my secondary camera and to be able to transfer files to the PC more quickly.

Natan Pakman · September 8th, 2009, 09:27 AM

It's looking like HDV recording on the Firestore won't work then.

On the Sony HDR-FX1, which is what I use, the footage captured in the DV rec mode (whether in 4:3 or 16:9 mode) is pretty poor when recorded to minidv tape. If I record in this mode with a firestore, will I potentially get a better image, analogous to recording HD to an external hard drive and getting non-HDV footage using a different codec?

So, basically, is there any way to get sd footage off of the FX1 when recording to firestore that is superior to what one gets on a tape?

Matt McEwen · September 23rd, 2009, 11:24 AM

No, there is no codec in FS-4. It simply takes the stream from the cameras FireWire port (already encoded). Image quality will be the same as tape.

Natan Pakman · September 24th, 2009, 10:15 AM

Do the continuous HDV recording issues occur when using the FS-5?

Matt McEwen · September 28th, 2009, 10:35 AM

FS-5 (and MR-HD100, FS-CV & FS-H200) utilize the UDF file format where max clip size is 20GB (or about 1.5 hours of recording.

Matt McEwen · September 28th, 2009, 10:37 AM

... sorry, I meant to say UDF disk format, not file format.

Natan Pakman · September 29th, 2009, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt McEwen

... sorry, I meant to say UDF disk format, not file format.

Matt, this is the missing piece of information I was looking for.

Does recording one huge 20GB 1.5 hour file have an increased chance of failing/dropping out, or any such thing, compared with multiple 2GB files?

September 3rd, 2009, 10:19 AM	#1
Natan Pakman Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 196	Continuous recording issues when recording in HDV M2T I realize that they have been a few other posts on this topic, but I haven't been able to find specific answers to my issues. I am trying to use an FS-4 HD to record a continuous hour-long shot, to be used in Premiere Pro CS3. As everybody knows, b/c of the file size limit, when recording in the HDV format (M2T, not quicktime) you get about 8 to 9 minutes of footage, and then a new clip is automatically created. I ran a test and found they there was a noticeable jump, that appeared to be about one or two frames worth, at the seams of the clips. Given that it's difficult for me to believe that such an expensive item would lead to such unprofessional problems, are there any solutions to this problem? On a side note, is it at all possible to use the HD quicktime codec on the FS-4 HD and use it on a PC, in Premiere? And would this better handle the seams or would it be the same issue?

September 7th, 2009, 02:39 PM	#2
Matt Bigwood Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gloucester UK Posts: 223	Hi Natan I've never been successful in using my firestore FS4HD recording in HDV. I shot a day-long project last year using my Sony FX1e and the Firestore in HDV (M2T files), but had so many bad issues (timecode breaks, audio out of sync) that I captured all the footage from the tape. I was also using Premiere Pro CS3. I have contacted Focus Enhancements in the past about a possible upgrade to record Quicktime files, but this can only be enabled (at a cost) on the FS4 Pro model. I really have to say that the FS4HD is one of the worst things I have ever bought in connection with video. It was expensive (over £700) and it has a short battery life, added to which the ridiculous alarm that sounds when the battery is getting low and ruins the soundtrack. I only use the FS4 now to record in SD as a backup on my secondary camera and to be able to transfer files to the PC more quickly.

September 8th, 2009, 09:27 AM	#3
Natan Pakman Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 196	It's looking like HDV recording on the Firestore won't work then. On the Sony HDR-FX1, which is what I use, the footage captured in the DV rec mode (whether in 4:3 or 16:9 mode) is pretty poor when recorded to minidv tape. If I record in this mode with a firestore, will I potentially get a better image, analogous to recording HD to an external hard drive and getting non-HDV footage using a different codec? So, basically, is there any way to get sd footage off of the FX1 when recording to firestore that is superior to what one gets on a tape?

September 23rd, 2009, 11:24 AM	#4
Matt McEwen Focus Enhancements Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Campbell, CA. Posts: 508	No, there is no codec in FS-4. It simply takes the stream from the cameras FireWire port (already encoded). Image quality will be the same as tape.

September 24th, 2009, 10:15 AM	#5
Natan Pakman Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 196	Do the continuous HDV recording issues occur when using the FS-5?

September 28th, 2009, 10:35 AM	#6
Matt McEwen Focus Enhancements Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Campbell, CA. Posts: 508	FS-5 (and MR-HD100, FS-CV & FS-H200) utilize the UDF file format where max clip size is 20GB (or about 1.5 hours of recording.

September 28th, 2009, 10:37 AM	#7
Matt McEwen Focus Enhancements Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Campbell, CA. Posts: 508	... sorry, I meant to say UDF disk format, not file format.