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Ed Roo · December 4th, 2013, 10:42 AM

Bob Hart · December 5th, 2013, 02:56 AM

To an older person with limited technical savvy, this young fella may be a technical wiz, maybe a good scammer, maybe a whistleblower and his heart may even be in the right place depending upon which of the preceding is his true vocation. Maybe he is some sort of activist trying to send out a warning message as to hypothetical vulnerabilities of the bigger drones purposed to hurt people.

Whichever, I don't think he has a lot going for him in legal skills or self-preservation instincts.

Except for appending his signature on an affidavit, this is about as cut and dried a case for a plaintiff as you could get in a civil damages suit, all achieved by one's own foot-shot.

Sabyasachi Patra · December 5th, 2013, 08:14 AM

This shows how out of control this can become in future.

Jim Michael · December 5th, 2013, 09:56 AM

Not really. Command and control can be achieved via encrypted comms, just as you don't broadcast your business comms in the clear and use vpn. May still be susceptible to jamming, but in that case the onboard instruction set might be invoked for a return to base.

Dave Blackhurst · December 5th, 2013, 12:00 PM

Keep in mind that Iran supposedly spoofed a MILITARY drone into landing somewhere other than where it was supposed to... One would think they had "secure" communication systems...

I suspect there's a LONG way to go before you have an unmanned system that is "foolproof", let alone hacker proof... ANY time you have a signal/communication, there is potential to intercept it, hack it, and alter it for purposes other than were originally intended... "potential" being the key word.

Doesn't mean it WILL happen, but I'd be far more worried about hundreds of drones flying about that could be intercepted than I am about one or two stupid pilots who can't control or lose control of their flying salad shooter o' death...

In the real world, botnets, zombie computers that have been hacked, etc. etc. exist, and are a real problem. Give a dedicated crazy person access to their own personal "air force" (albeit diminutive), it might present a problem... or maybe not...

Jim Michael · December 5th, 2013, 02:12 PM

Nope, ssl etc. are used daily. No magic involved, just a willingness to implement a secure solution. There will probably be plenty of non-secure vehicles to hack, no doubt.

December 4th, 2013, 10:42 AM	#1
Ed Roo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Columbus USA Posts: 312	Drone Wars! SkyJack - autonomous drone hacking

December 5th, 2013, 02:56 AM	#2
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Re: Drone Wars! To an older person with limited technical savvy, this young fella may be a technical wiz, maybe a good scammer, maybe a whistleblower and his heart may even be in the right place depending upon which of the preceding is his true vocation. Maybe he is some sort of activist trying to send out a warning message as to hypothetical vulnerabilities of the bigger drones purposed to hurt people. Whichever, I don't think he has a lot going for him in legal skills or self-preservation instincts. Except for appending his signature on an affidavit, this is about as cut and dried a case for a plaintiff as you could get in a civil damages suit, all achieved by one's own foot-shot. Last edited by Bob Hart; December 5th, 2013 at 02:58 AM. Reason: error

December 5th, 2013, 08:14 AM	#3
Sabyasachi Patra Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 507	Re: Drone Wars! This shows how out of control this can become in future. __________________ Wild Tiger Productions http://www.indiawilds.com/about.htm

December 5th, 2013, 09:56 AM	#4
Jim Michael Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 895	Re: Drone Wars! Not really. Command and control can be achieved via encrypted comms, just as you don't broadcast your business comms in the clear and use vpn. May still be susceptible to jamming, but in that case the onboard instruction set might be invoked for a return to base.

December 5th, 2013, 12:00 PM	#5
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Re: Drone Wars! Keep in mind that Iran supposedly spoofed a MILITARY drone into landing somewhere other than where it was supposed to... One would think they had "secure" communication systems... I suspect there's a LONG way to go before you have an unmanned system that is "foolproof", let alone hacker proof... ANY time you have a signal/communication, there is potential to intercept it, hack it, and alter it for purposes other than were originally intended... "potential" being the key word. Doesn't mean it WILL happen, but I'd be far more worried about hundreds of drones flying about that could be intercepted than I am about one or two stupid pilots who can't control or lose control of their flying salad shooter o' death... In the real world, botnets, zombie computers that have been hacked, etc. etc. exist, and are a real problem. Give a dedicated crazy person access to their own personal "air force" (albeit diminutive), it might present a problem... or maybe not...

December 5th, 2013, 02:12 PM	#6
Jim Michael Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 895	Re: Drone Wars! Nope, ssl etc. are used daily. No magic involved, just a willingness to implement a secure solution. There will probably be plenty of non-secure vehicles to hack, no doubt.