My HDV Ecode for You Tube Look Terrible at DVinfo.net

Philip Rafey · June 2nd, 2007, 01:13 PM

I have tried almost every concievable combination and have yet to get the right encode from my hdv project to put up on you tube.

The stuff that was shot and edited in regualr DV format looks great on the Tube. Not the HDV

JVC HD110u
FCP
Shooting and editing 24p

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Thanks

Phil

Justin Tomchuk · June 2nd, 2007, 07:40 PM

Youtube takes your video, and re-encodes it into a flash file, so no matter how good a video you upload, it will always look more compressed that it really is. It's one of the negative aspects to youtube, but it's also what keeps their servers running effeciently.

Craig Parkes · June 2nd, 2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip Rafey

I have tried almost every concievable combination and have yet to get the right encode from my hdv project to put up on you tube.

The stuff that was shot and edited in regualr DV format looks great on the Tube. Not the HDV

JVC HD110u
FCP
Shooting and editing 24p

Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Thanks

Phil

What did you upload it as? More important than what you shot is what you sent them to be compressed through their servers - there are various tutorials out there on how you can optimize your videos for Youtube.

Chris Hocking · June 3rd, 2007, 12:12 AM

Give this a try:

1. Create a new DV timeline. Make sure you've got all the Best Quality options selected for that timeline (High Precision YUV, Best Quality Motion, etc.). Drag your HDV timeline into the new timeline.
2. Add a slight sharpen and colour smoothing filter to the whole timeline.
3. Export your timeline using QT Conversion as:

H.263
Automatic Data Rate / Best Quality
Frame Rate 24
Best Quality (Multi-pass)
Size: 320 x 240
Audio: AAC/Mono/44.100/Better

4. Check to see if you're export is under 300MB. If it's not then you'll have to select a data rate that gets you under 300. Try and get to exactly 299MB if you can!
5. Upload the file. YouTube will re-compress it. Post a link to the YouTube file once you've uploaded it.

Hope this helps!

Chris!

James Miller · June 3rd, 2007, 12:59 AM

I thought YouTube are now going to use H.264 encoding to work with apple TV.

Give H.264 a go on the upload and see if it makes a difference.

James

Jason Lowe · June 4th, 2007, 09:50 AM

I found a video on youtube talking about compression for youtube. His settings using quicktime conversion are:

H.264
default frame rate
limit data stream to 2000kbps
single pass
size 640x480
deinterlace (very important)
AAC audio

I've gotten better results with this that anything I've previously tried. For shorter clips, increasing the data stream may help too.

I find the most useful feature when playing youtube videos is the button that makes the video smaller. Most things look a lot sharper that way.

Chris Hocking · June 4th, 2007, 08:03 PM

Before YouTube switched over to H.264 (have they actually done it yet?), I'm pretty sure they used 320x240 for the final encode and then just scaled it up for display on the website. So, if you export your movie as 320x240, you can get a higher data rate than if you exported as 640x480 (due to the 300MB upload limit). Either way, try and get your file to exactly 300MB by using the highest data rate possible...

This advice may be irrelevant once they start using H.264 for everything.

Chris!

Chris Hocking · June 6th, 2007, 11:05 PM

Forgot to mention...

This is worth reading as well:

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage...ssor_gary.html

Josh Chesarek · June 7th, 2007, 01:37 PM

I read in Videomaker that if your video follows the above standards in terms of size and resolution and is all ready in FLV format and @ or below 100MB it will not be touched. This would mean you would have full control of the compression. I will try it out later and post the results.

Chris Hocking · June 7th, 2007, 07:18 PM

YouTube does not currently accept videos in Flash (.flv) format.

Josh Chesarek · June 7th, 2007, 08:28 PM

Well that would certainly put a stop to it... hmmm..

Jon Jaschob · June 18th, 2007, 10:08 AM

I just uploaded FLVs to Utube last week. Although the FLV codex is not listed, they work just fine.
Jon

Steve Young · June 22nd, 2007, 09:30 AM

You tube is poor quality - try Brightcove for far superior quality - sure you wont get the same audience but then again do you want to showcase your efforts in a vhs/betamax standard online??

Emre Safak · June 23rd, 2007, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Jaschob

I just uploaded FLVs to Utube last week. Although the FLV codex is not listed, they work just fine.
Jon

This would be the best way then, if they do not recompress the FLV.

Quote:

You tube is poor quality - try Brightcove for far superior quality - sure you wont get the same audience but then again do you want to showcase your efforts in a vhs/betamax standard online??

The whole point of broadcasting on Youtube is to reach a wider audience, otherwise you could just set up your own Web site! Or you could do both, and point viewers from Youtube to your Web site if they want to watch a higher quality version of your video.

Jon Jaschob · July 10th, 2007, 10:52 AM

Here is a good place to upload for better quality...
http://www.dailymotion.com/us
Send your sh*tube viewers here for a nicer looking version.
Jon

June 2nd, 2007, 01:13 PM	#1
Philip Rafey New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dalton, Ga. Posts: 7	My HDV Ecode for You Tube Look Terrible I have tried almost every concievable combination and have yet to get the right encode from my hdv project to put up on you tube. The stuff that was shot and edited in regualr DV format looks great on the Tube. Not the HDV JVC HD110u FCP Shooting and editing 24p Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks Phil

June 7th, 2007, 01:37 PM	#9
Josh Chesarek Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 978	I read in Videomaker that if your video follows the above standards in terms of size and resolution and is all ready in FLV format and @ or below 100MB it will not be touched. This would mean you would have full control of the compression. I will try it out later and post the results. __________________ Simple Thought Productions - Life @ 30,000 Words per second

June 7th, 2007, 08:28 PM	#11
Josh Chesarek Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 978	Well that would certainly put a stop to it... hmmm.. __________________ Simple Thought Productions - Life @ 30,000 Words per second

June 2nd, 2007, 07:40 PM	#2
Justin Tomchuk Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 164	Youtube takes your video, and re-encodes it into a flash file, so no matter how good a video you upload, it will always look more compressed that it really is. It's one of the negative aspects to youtube, but it's also what keeps their servers running effeciently.

June 3rd, 2007, 12:12 AM	#4
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	Give this a try: 1. Create a new DV timeline. Make sure you've got all the Best Quality options selected for that timeline (High Precision YUV, Best Quality Motion, etc.). Drag your HDV timeline into the new timeline. 2. Add a slight sharpen and colour smoothing filter to the whole timeline. 3. Export your timeline using QT Conversion as: H.263 Automatic Data Rate / Best Quality Frame Rate 24 Best Quality (Multi-pass) Size: 320 x 240 Audio: AAC/Mono/44.100/Better 4. Check to see if you're export is under 300MB. If it's not then you'll have to select a data rate that gets you under 300. Try and get to exactly 299MB if you can! 5. Upload the file. YouTube will re-compress it. Post a link to the YouTube file once you've uploaded it. Hope this helps! Chris!

June 3rd, 2007, 12:59 AM	#5
James Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sussex, UK Posts: 317	I thought YouTube are now going to use H.264 encoding to work with apple TV. Give H.264 a go on the upload and see if it makes a difference. James

June 4th, 2007, 09:50 AM	#6
Jason Lowe Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Smithfield, Pennsylvania Posts: 226	I found a video on youtube talking about compression for youtube. His settings using quicktime conversion are: H.264 default frame rate limit data stream to 2000kbps single pass size 640x480 deinterlace (very important) AAC audio I've gotten better results with this that anything I've previously tried. For shorter clips, increasing the data stream may help too. I find the most useful feature when playing youtube videos is the button that makes the video smaller. Most things look a lot sharper that way.

June 4th, 2007, 08:03 PM	#7
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	Before YouTube switched over to H.264 (have they actually done it yet?), I'm pretty sure they used 320x240 for the final encode and then just scaled it up for display on the website. So, if you export your movie as 320x240, you can get a higher data rate than if you exported as 640x480 (due to the 300MB upload limit). Either way, try and get your file to exactly 300MB by using the highest data rate possible... This advice may be irrelevant once they start using H.264 for everything. Chris!

June 6th, 2007, 11:05 PM	#8
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	Forgot to mention... This is worth reading as well: http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage...ssor_gary.html

June 7th, 2007, 07:18 PM	#10
Chris Hocking Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 595	YouTube does not currently accept videos in Flash (.flv) format.

June 18th, 2007, 10:08 AM	#12
Jon Jaschob Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 232	I just uploaded FLVs to Utube last week. Although the FLV codex is not listed, they work just fine. Jon

June 22nd, 2007, 09:30 AM	#13
Steve Young Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maidstone UK Posts: 37	You tube is poor quality - try Brightcove for far superior quality - sure you wont get the same audience but then again do you want to showcase your efforts in a vhs/betamax standard online??

July 10th, 2007, 10:52 AM	#15
Jon Jaschob Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 232	Here is a good place to upload for better quality... http://www.dailymotion.com/us Send your sh*tube viewers here for a nicer looking version. Jon